hrothgar Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Here's the one hand from this weekend where I really felt stuck for a bid... IMPSWhite v White You hold ♠ J87654♥ x♦ xxxx♣ xx LHO opens 2♥Partner doublesRHO jumps to 4♥ I would (dearly) love to be able to play 4♠. This should be better than defending 4♥. My worry was that if I were to bid 4♠ partner - who might very well be sitting on a big balanced hand - might make a slam try... The're a simple solution to the problem which (regretfully) did pass through my mind. Bid an insufficient 3♦. When the opponents call the director bid 4♠ and get partner barred from the auction. Despite the clear technical merits of the 3♦ bid, I decided that I needed to choose between the more mundane choices of Pass and 4♠. (Damn ethical streak) I decided on Pass and the opponents quickly rolled home with 10 tricks. Still wondering what I should have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 If pard is relatively minimal (in terms of hcp, maybe in the 15-ish zone), he shouldn't hang us and pass could lead to a large disaster. If pard is significantly more than minimal, he will make a slam try and we may or may not go down. In this case, he will usually double again and pass our 4♠ bid. Pass tries to cater for the second alternative, which is perhaps a little less likely than the first one. So while I agree it's close, I'd surely bid 4♠ because I think I can make that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi, 4S. Ok, I know that I bid against making4H, which makes this simpler, but Iwould bid it. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 The're a simple solution to the problem which (regretfully) did pass through my mind. Bid an insufficient 3♦. When the opponents call the director bid 4♠ and get partner barred from the auction. If you know the laws this well, you'll also know you'll get an adjustment and quite likely a procedural penalty.. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmit Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 The're a simple solution to the problem which (regretfully) did pass through my mind. Bid an insufficient 3♦. When the opponents call the director bid 4♠ and get partner barred from the auction. Despite the clear technical merits of the 3♦ bid, I decided that I needed to choose between the more mundane choices of Pass and 4♠. (..) Still wondering what I should have done.Given the fact that you are sharing this thought-process of yours, I take it as you were not actually considering bidding in the described, intentionally destructive way you outlined with the goal of sabotaging the game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 4S. If this goes wrong (e.g. partner proceeds to slam) I apologize, congratulate opponents and move on. If partner isn't able to understand why I did what I did, it is time to consider some changes :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 The're a simple solution to the problem which (regretfully) did pass through my mind. Bid an insufficient 3♦. When the opponents call the director bid 4♠ and get partner barred from the auction. Despite the clear technical merits of the 3♦ bid, I decided that I needed to choose between the more mundane choices of Pass and 4♠. (..) Still wondering what I should have done.Given the fact that you are sharing this thought-process of yours, I take it as you were not actually considering bidding in the described, intentionally destructive way you outlined with the goal of sabotaging the game! The deliberate insufficient bid was (largely) thrown out there as a joke... I did find it worth posting because its rare to get a hand where this sort of tactic is viable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Pass and pull a double of 4♥ to 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'd bid 4♠. A few thoughts: (1) It's quite possible this is a double game swing. Hate to risk one of those.(2) Partner will know I might stretch a bit here, and should pass on borderline hands.(3) If partner is bidding on, it's still possible I might make 5♠, or that 5♠ might be a good sacrifice against 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 For all you know they could be making 4h -- even if 5s goes down 1 or 2 doubled it still might be OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'd bid 4S, partner should give us a lot of leeway in this position. That doesn't mean that he should never act, but he should hold back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think you were right to pass, partner giving us leeway is one thing but there has to be a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 This might depend on table feel from RHO. It's possible partner is minimum and 4♥ was bid on a good hand in which case we certainly want to bid as a save. However I really think you have to pass. Who knows both contracts could be down if partner is big and balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Pass and pull a double of 4♥ to 4♠.YOu really hate to defend 4H, but pass and pull the dbl seems most sensible option. Question is how much partner needs to reopen at 4 level, he will likely pass with most balanced hands 13-16 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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