Gerben42 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 [hv=d=n&v=n&w=sat93hakj3daq8caj&e=s8ht986dkj74ckq97]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] North deals and opens 2♦ Multi, South bids 2♥ (pass or correct), North bids 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 (2♦)-ps-(2♥)-X(2♠)-3♣!-(ps)-?? 3♣! = possitive Ugh, this is tough, how are you suposed to find a 4-4 fit when you made a take out double of that suit? :). West 'could' bid 3♥ over 3♣ but the meaning will be very obscure. He has no club fit, and I wonder if 4NT is quantitative or blackwood now. Probably blackwood. So the best I can find: (2♦)-ps-(2♥)-X(2♠)-3♣!-(ps)-6NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 So the best I can find: (2♦)-ps-(2♥)-X(2♠)-3♣!-(ps)-6NTWhat Fluffy said. West's X is takeout of ♥, so a double of 2♠ by East would be penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I would probably bid it like this: 2♦ pass 2♥ 3NT (end) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Anyway here was our sequence: 2♦ Pass 2♥ Dbl2♠ Pass Pass DblPass 3♠ Pass 4NTPass 5NT Pass 6NT I didn't want to "guess" a minor after 2♠ opposite a TO of ♥. It appears that opps have a 6-2 ♠ fit, but no way I'd find out what minor we would like to play. And guessing wrong would result in 2 down vuln. no doubt, so I passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 If you started with a Double you can't double again as that would be for penalties IMHO.... nor can you cue 3S (at least I don't think you can without a club fit of some sort...).Anyway, what is so wrong about passing the first round of the auction...? 2D.....P......2H......P2S.....P......P.......? Now, all you have to do is to bid the way to show you strenght, which for me is a direct 3NT. That followed by 4C (Baron) will surely put you on your way to slam where you belong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Anyway, what is so wrong about passing the first round of the auction...?2♦.....P......2♥......PP.....P Too late - they have stopped in their 6-2 heart fit and you have just missed 6♠.Bad luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hi, (2D) - Pass.. - (2H) - X (1)(2S) - 3C (2) - (Pass) - 3S (3)(Pass) - 4D (4) - (Pass) - 4NT(5)(Pass) - 5D (5) - (Pass) - 5S (6)(Pass) - 6C (6) - (Pass) - 6NT(7) (1) t/o for hearts(2) positive, 2 NT would be Lebensohl for us X would be nice, but it should show a 4 card suit, in other words it would be penalty Maybe responder can see, that West is sitting on a strong bal. hand, and make a enterprising X, but a strong 1-dimensional hand is still possible (3) torture bid, i.e. asking for a spade stopper and further description(4) 2nd suit(5) RKCB, 1 KC(6) asking for cheapest king, showing king of clubs, denying king of spades(7) no idea, what else to do, having diamonds agreed, makes if hard to go beyond 6D, we may end up in 7D With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Anyway, what is so wrong about passing the first round of the auction...?2♦.....P......2♥......PP.....P Too late - they have stopped in their 6-2 heart fit and you have just missed 6♠.Bad luck! Right lol, I totally missed that.... So, 3NT in first round it is :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Anyway, what is so wrong about passing the first round of the auction...?2♦.....P......2♥......PP.....P Too late - they have stopped in their 6-2 heart fit and you have just missed 6♠.Bad luck! Worse yet, given the vulnerability there is a very real chance that they might also have passed out on the 3-2 Spade fit... Lots of folks will pass out a 2♥ pass or correct response holding Spades if they are Non Vulnerable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think the first X was mandatory 3 NT shows not a big balanced hand but a running minor and stoppers, doesn´t it?I would like to have an agreement that pd can double their 2 spade responsive. But unluckily I do not have this agreement. But having passed 2 Diamond, East can bid 2 NT now, showing the minors. This will lead to 6 Diamond, maybe not the best contract, but better then most others. If this tool is not avaiable and 2 NT is lebensolish, I would have passed with the East hand, having no bid avaiable. After a second double, I had still no clue how to find 6 in a red suit and maybe I had bid 3 Clubs like Fluffy, reaching a quite inferior spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I didn't want to "guess" a minor after 2♠ opposite a TO of ♥. It appears that opps have a 6-2 ♠ fit, but no way I'd find out what minor we would like to play. And guessing wrong would result in 2 down vuln. no doubt, so I passed. This makes a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 (2♦) Pass (2♥) Dbl*(2♠) Dbl** (Pass) 3♠(Pass) 4♥ (Pass) 4NT(Pass) 5♣ (Pass) 5♦(Pass) 5♥ (Pass) 6♥All Pass * typically a useful weak NT but can be various stronger hands** Takeout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I think the first X was mandatory 3 NT shows not a big balanced hand but a running minor and stoppers, doesn´t it? No. It just shows a hand with limited interest in the majors. I would routinely bid 3NT here with a hand too good for 2NT and say 2=2=5=4 or 2=2=4=5 as well as hands more single-suited in a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Interesting pair of hands. My multi defense expert suggests: 2♦ - P - 2♥ - DBL DBL = either a TO of hearts or any strong hand 2♠ -3♣ - P - 3♠ 3♣ is in the context of Lebensohl so shows some values. 3♠ hadn't previously been discussed :blink: but obviously shows a good hand and since we didn't bid 3NT, it should show a TO of spades, thus have hearts (unless it's a cue bid for clubs).4♥ - P - 6♥ 4♥ because 3♠ promised hearts and might not have diamonds (obviously it might have had clubs, but if that's the case, the dbler will now show club support). 6♥ because it's unlikely that partner will have enough for 7 and have bid this way (3♠ over 2♠ would have shown short spades with enough to force to game, about 10+ HCP, so partner can't have that much, at least not with the spade stiff we think he has from the opponents' bidding and need for 7 anyway). Of course partner might have enough (x, QTxx, Kxx, Kxxxx probably makes 7 good), but there's really no way to find out. And it's hard to imagine a hand that partner thinks merits 3♣ and has 4 hearts that won't make 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I would start like Fluffy as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 The hand had a happy end when the Multi opener decided not to lead away from his ♠KJ and led a ♣ instead. <phew> The other room played game so we won 11 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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