Echognome Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I had two similar hands and auctions one in the pairs and one in the teams. Hand 1 was at MPs:[hv=d=n&v=e&s=s54h6dakqj82caj97]133|100|Scoring: MP2♠ - (3♥) - ?[/hv] Hand 2 was at Swiss Teams:[hv=d=n&v=e&s=s54h6dakqj82caj97]133|100|Scoring: MP2♠ - (3♥) - ?[/hv] What's your call on these noting the slightly different forms of scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 (1) Very much depends on what you expect from a favorable 2♠ opening. 4♦ if partner usually delivers a 5 card suit in a bad hand, 4♠ otherwise. (2) 4♠. Not 4♦, don't want to leave them room to bid 4♥. Plan to double 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 #1 4S, the good news is, my diamond suit is stronger than in #2, the bad news the weak two is made green vs. red, but I have 5-6 tricks for partner, maybe he has 4-5. #2 4S, may make, I have a good chance, that I have 4-5 tricks for partner, and he should have 5. So the scoring does not matter, but the vulnerabilityand your preempt style. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Hand 1. If pard can be trusted to have 6 spades, 4♠. Else 3♦ and sell out to 4♥. Hand 2. If pard can be trusted to have 6 spades, 4♠. Else pass throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roupoil Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 4♠ on the first hand, my partners never open 2♠ with 5 cards. Pass on the second hand, not because of the scoring, just because I can't see so many tricks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I would cut partner some slack on the first one since we're fav and just pass. Second hand isn't good enough to do anything other than pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguelm Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I've deleted this because I got it all wrong.... have to look again :) And now after a deeper look, I am bidding 4S in both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 1. 3♠. There's no point to make a lead director here. I think this hand belongs to us and I am doubling 4♥. 4♠ is an overbid that ignores the conditions. 2. 4♦. This one's closer. I think our vulnerable opponents are bidding game and pard should be able to judge if we should be in 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 4♠ to make on the first. 3♠ to make on the second where I really don't think they will have game most of the time, although I expect them to bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 4S is clear on the first, what else? The second is less clear, either pass or 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I really like 4S on hand 2 (to make, or to be a save, or to push them to 5H X). I don't think making 4S is THAT unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 On the first one, partner has a super max and holds AKQxxx of spades and out. I bid 4♠ and he made only 11 tricks when trumps ran 4-1. Even if you divined the split, you cannot make 6♠ because a second heart would give you a cheap ruff in dummy, but no way to finesse twice in trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 How about the second hand? Please tell me that Donn goes down in 4S against air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 How about the second hand? Please tell me that Donn goes down in 4S against air.Sorry forgot about the second one and it was a pretty neat hand. I've rotated it for convenience of the play [hv=n=sxxhqdaqtxxxcajtx&w=sjxhakxxxxxxdcxxx&e=saxxhjxdk98xxckxx&s=skqt9xxht8djxcqxx]399|300|[/hv] The auction went 2♠ - 3♥ - 4♦ - Dbl; P - P - 4♠ - All pass I think I would have been better off bidding a direct 4♠. The contract goes off against best defense, however, the actual defense went: ♥K lead, switch to a small club. East won the K and returned a small trump won by the Q. You can now make only by a dentist's coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 You told me but I forgot, what's a dentist coup? Seems like you can just ruff a heart, come to hand in clubs and guess spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 You told me but I forgot, what's a dentist coup? Seems like you can just ruff a heart, come to hand in clubs and guess spades. No. RHO can lock you in dummy with a club if you do this. The dentist's coup is removing RHO's exit card first. So, after you ruff a heart, play ♣A, ♣ to Q and now the ♠Q pinning the Jack. RHO has to put you back in hand or lead into dummy's diamond tenace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 You told me but I forgot, what's a dentist coup? Seems like you can just ruff a heart, come to hand in clubs and guess spades. No. RHO can lock you in dummy with a club if you do this. The dentist's coup is removing RHO's exit card first. So, after you ruff a heart, play ♣A, ♣ to Q and now the ♠Q pinning the Jack. RHO has to put you back in hand or lead into dummy's diamond tenace. I think they prefer the term that you have to "extract" the opponent's exit card and hence the name dentist coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ah ok, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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