Partner opens a strong NT, doubled to you

[CSGibson]

This is a two part question, and I'll give the second part in a bit.

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sqtxxhj9xdqxckjtx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

Pass-1NT-X*-?

 

X is for penalty[/hv]

 

1NT is 15-17.

 

Your agreements are that XX is business, with the next X by either side as penalty, 2C is stayman. If you pass, doubles are convertable, but primarily take-out.

 

 

What is your bid with the given hand?

[pclayton]

xx is pretty obvious.

[655321]

I don't get it.

 

I have a natural XX available, and I am supposed to be thinking about other actions?

[CSGibson]

I agree. I took the XX call. It went 2D pass pass to me. Now what?

[rogerclee]

First XX is obvious.

 

Edit: Sorry, I did not realize that you had posted your agreements.

 

Mmm...I think I've convinced myself that 2S/3D are best. For me, it depends a little bit on how aggressive partner would be about doubling 2D for penalty with marginal holdings.

[655321]

I prefer to play double now as takeout.

You told us that double is penalty, however, and partner has not doubled.

Therefore, I don't double, I bid 3♦, planning to pass 3NT, raise 3♠ to 4, or bid 3♠ over 3♥.

[CSGibson]

I prefer to play double now as takeout.

You told us that double is penalty, however, and partner has not doubled.

Therefore, I don't double, I bid 3♦, planning to pass 3NT, raise 3♠ to 4, or bid 3♠ over 3♥.

Out of curiousity, why play the first double as takeout? If my clubs and diamonds were switched, I'd want X to be penalty, and partner to pass with xx. I feel that after making the redouble, saying I want to penalize, it's important to actually have a penalty double available from either side.

 

Of course, my feelings led to this particular bidding problem, so they are quite possibly incorrect in every way.

[rogerclee]

I prefer to play double now as takeout.

You told us that double is penalty, however, and partner has not doubled.

Therefore, I don't double, I bid 3♦, planning to pass 3NT, raise 3♠ to 4, or bid 3♠ over 3♥.

Out of curiousity, why play the first double as takeout? If my clubs and diamonds were switched, I'd want X to be penalty, and partner to pass with xx. I feel that after making the redouble, saying I want to penalize, it's important to actually have a penalty double available from either side.

 

Of course, my feelings led to this particular bidding problem, so they are quite possibly incorrect in every way.

I think the thing with first double takeout is

 

1) It's the easiest to play.

2) Takeout doubles can still be converted.

[mike777]

I agree.  I took the XX call.  It went 2D pass pass to me.  Now what?

3d....as usual....double or cuebid with tough hands

 

On this one we get to do both. :)

[han]

agree with mike777.

[Codo]

Out of curiousity, why play the first double as takeout? If my clubs and diamonds were switched, I'd want X to be penalty, and partner to pass with xx. I feel that after making the redouble, saying I want to penalize, it's important to actually have a penalty double available from either side.

 

Of course, my feelings led to this particular bidding problem, so they are quite possibly incorrect in every way.

Your pd had doubled 2 Diamond for take out if your and his minors are switched, hand´t he?

 

So I prefer take out doubles too.

 

Now I bid 2 Spade, this is surely forcing and hardly a five card suit. If pd has no fit, I can ask for a diamond stopper later.

[P_Marlowe]

XX

 

ok, it maybe too greedy, but

since it will be preparation for

the followup bidding, i have to.

 

I take it, that XX also sets up a

forcing pass situation.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

After 2D and Pass, Pass:

 

Opener does not have a penalty

double in his hand.

The alternatives are now a Lebensohl

sequence, which should allow you to find

out if you have a diamonds stopper and

or a spade fit, or x penalty X.

 

Given the Queen of diamonds, and because

we cant be sure we have 25HCP, I would

say go for the penalty, if it goes wrong

it is just 180.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Gerben42]

I redouble for business opposite a 12 - 14 NT with this hand... Anyway...

 

1NT x xx 2♦

P p 2♠

 

What happens next?

[CSGibson]

I redouble for business opposite a 12 - 14 NT with this hand... Anyway...

 

1NT x xx 2♦

P p 2♠

 

What happens next?

I'll give you the full hands

 

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The agreements I gave were not actually what we had at the table; it was a partner I had only played with one other time, and I explained the agreements that he thought we were playing.

 

I made what I thought was a takeout double of 2D, swish, making 4 on the layout when declarer guessed diamonds right.

 

I know that the X does not look like penalty values, but that was what was explained to me when I asked, so that's what I gave you guys. It just seemed like an interesting problem if we were actually on the same page with partner's agreements.

[jchiu]

This must be a trick question, so I pass :(