mike777 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=skq763ht8dq62ct85]133|100|Scoring: IMPP=P=P=1D(2C)=?[/hv] Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I am not unhappy to pass with this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 If pard can't reopen then I'm cool defending. If pard can reopen then I bid 3♠. Make the hand 5332 and I would bid 2♠ directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Pass. 3 card clubs suggests passing. If partner can't act we miss nothing. The danger with double is we cannot control the auction. e.g LHO bids 3♣ and partner bids 4♥ - to double without both majors we need a place to play, but can't be confident we will find it. Don't really like 2♠ on a hand this weak, but it might work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Can live with either Pass or 2♦Slight preference for 2♦ I'm a passed hand so partner won't go overboard. I have a number of ways to show 4-5 card raises, so partner shouldn't be surprised by three card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Pass. Best chance to get spades in later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Pass. Unfortunately, you are redand 2nd seat, elsewise it mayhave been possible to ask,why did you not open 2S? :) I dont like the alternatives, soPass it is, 2S should promise diamond support, and I dont thinkI have sufficient support, thats whyno 2D bid either, and if I make a t/o X, I cant stand a 2H bid by opener,so Pass it is.Sometimes they get you. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I double with this hand. Double shows enough values to compete at the current level and a desire to do so or many strong hands since we play negative free bids. The ♦Qxx in partner's suit make this hand too good to pass in my opinion. Swap the diamonds and the clubs and I pass happy to defend if partner cannot bid something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I double with this hand. Double shows enough values to compete at the current level and a desire to do so or many strong hands since we play negative free bids. The ♦Qxx in partner's suit make this hand too good to pass in my opinion. Swap the diamonds and the clubs and I pass happy to defend if partner cannot bid something. What does your partner reply with 2443 or 3442 and a weak NT? If 2♥, what are you going to do over that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Glad we finally got a nonpass post. A lot of great players bid alot of different things on this hand. Will post some of the magazine responses after we get a few more non pass posts. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I double with this hand. Double shows enough values to compete at the current level and a desire to do so or many strong hands since we play negative free bids. The ♦Qxx in partner's suit make this hand too good to pass in my opinion. Swap the diamonds and the clubs and I pass happy to defend if partner cannot bid something. What does your partner reply with 2443 or 3442 and a weak NT? If 2♥, what are you going to do over that? Well we won't have that hand since we play a weak NT in 1st/2nd seat and in 3rd/4th seat we would open the major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 easy 2D for me. X might lead us at the 3 level and pass is a bit dangerous. I really dont see how 2D could backfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 wtp 2 ♠ bid :D Yes I am min. for my NFB, but pd opened in 4. hand. So, I trust him to hold spades And/ORa really good hand. And: All my values are in the suits we have fit, so I really thought this is a wtp- but history (the first answers) taught my, that I was wrong again. The answer I would really hate to see if I had opened 1 Diamond in 4. seat is 2 Diamond with this hand. Why on earth should I not have a 4432 hand? I would believe that this is much more a possibility then a real 5+ card diamond suit. Pass could work well, but I am not in chicken mood today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Unfortunately, you are redand 2nd seat, elsewise it mayhave been possible to ask,why did you not open 2S? You are still as agressive with preempts as always... Pass WTP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 It's a pass. You're not good enough to bid 2♠ (we're not playing NFBs), and partner knows how to balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchTsch Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Playing with my partner I double, as 1♦ promises 5♦ so we have a place to play. When I convert partners ♥ bid to spades he will know that I should have some ♦ fit. If playing sayc i'll pass and wait for the reopening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I would bid 2S but can live with a pass. What's NFB got to do with anything? We are a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I would bid 2S but can live with a pass. What's NFB got to do with anything? We are a passed hand. Some still require a new suit to show a near opening hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 The answer I would really hate to see if I had opened 1 Diamond in 4. seat is 2 Diamond with this hand. Why on earth should I not have a 4432 hand? I would believe that this is much more a possibility then a real 5+ card diamond suit. If you are playing better minor & weak nt a 1D opening hands show 5 or + D close to 50% of the times. For strong NT i dont know the number but i guess its close to 40%. While exact 4432 is a 18/1000 pattern but since only 12-14 hands are troublesome only 1% of all openings hand (preempt not included) will be 12-14 exact 4432. I guess a 1D opening in a Str NT/better minor setup is close to 20% of the openings(preempt excluded) so after a 1D opening my estimate is 5% of the times you will have 4432 (12-14) and 40% of the times you will have 5D or +, 55% your going to have 4 D. The fact that opponent overcall 2C and didnt make a take-out double make opener favorite to be major oriented. But far to the point where 4432 is a likely hand. Also Im not afraid to open 1C holding 4432 in 4th seat (12-14 & with more points in C then in D) since im pretty sure partner is going to make a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I would bid 2S but can live with a pass. What's NFB got to do with anything? We are a passed hand. Yeah but we have a 7 count? I don't mind stretching but 2♠ seems a little rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I dont really understand why most either pass or bid 2S. While 2D or X are right on for values are unpopular. The bid i hate the most is 2S, Partner could have 13+ pts and a stiff S or he could have 5D and 2S with some of those hands you will reach 3D or 3S wich might be too high. Partner may also blast to an unmakable 4S. A neg X will do the same thing then a 2S bid+ will give you the chance to play 2D (over a 2H response 2S will describe the hand perfectly, the main downside of X is that if opps compete to 3C then partner under pressure may bid 3H without S tolerance or may pass 3C with 5 or 6D. Passing is also a bit dangerous since partner with a doubleton spades will steer away from balancing. Partner could also have 5D+3C and both 2C & 2D will make. Also im not fond of balancing with minimal values when no trap pass is possible but its a matter of style. (note that if you pass and partner reopen what is your bid ? 3S ? if so then he wont reopen with a minimum) 2D will turn out badly when partner compete to 3D too light or when hes 4432 or on some rare magic hands where 4S will make but partner will pass 2D. Overall is think 2D is the least of evil. my choices from good to bad.2D,X,pass,2Sthe poll choice so farpass,2S,X,2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I dont really understand why most either pass or bid 2S. While 2D or X are right on for values are unpopular. The bid i hate the most is 2S, Partner could have 13+ pts and a stiff S or he could have 5D and 2S with some of those hands you will reach 3D or 3S wich might be too high. Partner may also blast to an unmakable 4S. A neg X will do the same thing then a 2S bid+ will give you the chance to play 2D (over a 2H response 2S will describe the hand perfectly, the main downside of X is that if opps compete to 3C then partner under pressure may bid 3H without S tolerance or may pass 3C with 5 or 6D. Passing is also a bit dangerous since partner with a doubleton spades will steer away from balancing. Partner could also have 5D+3C and both 2C & 2D will make. Also im not fond of balancing with minimal values when no trap pass is possible but its a matter of style. (note that if you pass and partner reopen what is your bid ? 3S ? if so then he wont reopen with a minimum) 2D will turn out badly when partner compete to 3D too light or when hes 4432 or on some rare magic hands where 4S will make but partner will pass 2D. Overall is think 2D is the least of evil. my choices from good to bad.2D,X,pass,2Sthe poll choice so farpass,2S,X,2D Pd does not have 13 HCPs and a stiff spade. Many partners will pass in 4. seat with this. No, not everybody follow this rule of 15, but at least a significant number.PD has a reason for his opening. And this reason can be (among others like extra strength): Some spades. We did not open a weak two. So whatever your criterias for a weak two are, we don´t fullfill them. When we are strong enough to bid 2 Spade, pd knows that we have exactly five. As we would never bid a lousy 5 card suit without a backup, he knows that we are either maximum (10 HCPS) or have a secondary diamond fit. So 2 Spade is safe in my eyes. It wins whenever you have a fit and if you don´t the worst thing to happen is 3 Diamonds in a 5-3 fit. The worst thing to happen when you bid 2 Diamond is to play there in a 3-3 fit. Or in a 4-3 fit with a 5-3 or 5-2 spade fit on the side. Pick your poison, I pick mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 So 2 Spade is safe in my eyes. It wins whenever you have a fit and if you don´t the worst thing to happen is 3 Diamonds in a 5-3 fit. The worst thing to happen when you bid 2 Diamond is to play there in a 3-3 fit. Or in a 4-3 fit with a 5-3 or 5-2 spade fit on the side. I understand that 2S show a D tol, but Its IMPs not MP. I want to make my contract not play in a fit at 1 level too high. 3-3 fit in D is going to be quite rare(read my other post) plus its not sure its going to go down + some hands they will compete. Playing 2D in 43 isnt likely to go down as much as playing 3S or 4S remember partner with 15/16 pts and 2/3 trumps will make another move after your 2S. The biggest problem with 2D is that you will missed some magical games based on a double fit. But there is no comparaison between the number of times you will get poisoned in 3S/2Nt/3D/3Cx compared to 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I've been persuaded that 2S is a bit much. But I still think it's very close - with KQ109x I would definitely bid 2S. The joy about being a passed hand is that even not playing NFB, partner can pass happily. Playing strong NT (I know it wasn't originally specified), partner will not have a balanced 15/16 with 2/3 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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