Kaapo Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 With only the opponents vulnerable and IMP scoring, you declare a game at no trumps: S AQ87 N E S W H Q8 1D 1H 2NT pass D A7653 3NT C A10 S 109 H A1096 D KQJ10 C J94. Lead: C3 (3rd or 5th). How would you play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 My first impression is to duck the club and assuming it's won and a small one returned to the ace... play a diamond to the king. If diamonds are 4-0 I'll do some more thinking, but if not I'll eliminate diamonds ending in hand and exit on a club and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hidden: Duck cA. If it wins or if RHO wins and fails to return a club we are cold. If it loses, win on dummy. If RHO played the c2 then clubs were 5-3: return to hand in diamonds, and lead the last club. Presumably West wins and cashes the remaining clubs and returns a spade. We win on dummy and cash the remaining diamonds. Trick 11 squeezes East, who must discard from K KJ -- --- and we have Q x --- --- in dummy and -- A10 -- -- in hand on trick 12. If LHO played the c2 on the second trick, clubs were 4-4 (we're cold) or 6-2 (RHO is out) so just play a heart to the 8. If neither played the c2 then RHO probably started with 3 of them including the 2 so play the squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 hidden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 hidden? You can hide text with the [ HIDDEN ] tag supplied by the forum. You can read hidden text by highlighting the empty space where the text should be with your mouse. I think the technical way this is done is that the text has the same color as the background. Example: every other word in this sentence is hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think the query was why the reply was hidden. If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think the query was why the reply was hidden. If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit? I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think the query was why the reply was hidden. If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit? I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6. Are you serious? I always lead my 5. from 6 without much thought. Why shouldn´t I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think the query was why the reply was hidden. If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit? I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6. I dont think this is true vs NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvage Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 In Norway, where 3/5 leads against NT are very popular, some lead 4. best and some 5. best from a sixcard-suit. I think 4. best is the most common among experts (according to their CC this is used by all our junior internationals). John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaapo Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 This was the full deal:[hv=d=n&v=e&n=saq87hq8da7653cat&w=sj543h52d84ck7653&e=sk62hkj743d92cq82&s=st9hat96dkqjtcj94]399|300|Scoring: IMPNorth East South West1♦ 1♥ 2NT pass3NT[/hv]The ♣3 was led (5th best - and I think most Finns would lead the 5th best from a 6 card suit as well). I took ♣A and immediately played a club back. That was not a success since, having scored his ♣ tricks, West fired a ♥, removing my entry for the squeeze. I ended up down 2 after an unsuccesful ♠ finesse as a last desperate attempt for a make. At least this time it would be right to grab ♣A at trick one, run diamonds, and then exit in ♣s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I think the query was why the reply was hidden. If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit? I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6. Are you serious? I always lead my 5. from 6 without much thought. Why shouldn´t I? Say you open 2S and the opponents get to 4H and you're on lead. You lead your S3 and the 2 is missing. Partner STILL doesn't know if you have 5 or 6, defeating the purpose of your lead. If you lead say, the 8, partner can read it as 3rd, and would know if you lead something like the 3 that is 5th. Basically it is way clearer to lead your 3rd best from 6. This is why people, at least in america, have stopped saying 3rd and 5th and now say 3rd from even low from odd (or just 3rd and low). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Say you open 2S and the opponents get to 4H and you're on lead. You lead your S3 and the 2 is missing. Partner STILL doesn't know if you have 5 or 6, defeating the purpose of your lead. If you lead say, the 8, partner can read it as 3rd, and would know if you lead something like the 3 that is 5th. Basically it is way clearer to lead your 3rd best from 6. This is why people, at least in america, have stopped saying 3rd and 5th and now say 3rd from even low from odd (or just 3rd and low). I have no problem with 3. and low or 33 from even.I have no problem to lead something very special from aknown length. But I would dislike any opponent to lead the 6. highest from 6 after announcing 3. / 5.And I am quite certain that- if this influenced my declarer play badly-, I had a case for the TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Say you open 2S and the opponents get to 4H and you're on lead. You lead your S3 and the 2 is missing. Partner STILL doesn't know if you have 5 or 6, defeating the purpose of your lead. If you lead say, the 8, partner can read it as 3rd, and would know if you lead something like the 3 that is 5th. Basically it is way clearer to lead your 3rd best from 6. This is why people, at least in america, have stopped saying 3rd and 5th and now say 3rd from even low from odd (or just 3rd and low). I have no problem with 3. and low or 33 from even.I have no problem to lead something very special from aknown length. But I would dislike any opponent to lead the 6. highest from 6 after announcing 3. / 5.And I am quite certain that- if this influenced my declarer play badly-, I had a case for the TD. What? No one suggested leading 6th from 6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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