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Pass. Double would be take-out for me and I really don't want to hear 5. Yes, 4 will no doubt go down, but I will settle for my undoubled undertrick(s).

 

Likewise, if my partner had doubled, it would be take-out. He did not although he is short in spades.

 

Give me 1444 instead and it's a different ballgame. I'd double now.

 

Roland

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No LA to pass for advanced player. For a beginner I might be persuaded double is a LA.

Because just beginners play neg. double just up to 4 Heart and 4 NT as takeout?

 

Yes typical beginner thinking.

 

I know some partnerships who play neg. double up to 4 HEart. They can double for penalties. If you have this agreement, double is an alternative.

 

However with no agreement or the knowledge that X is take out or even optional, there is no LA!

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None vulnerable, IMPs

 

AKxx

Axxx

Axxx

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1-(4)-p-(p)

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What call would you make?

What are the logical alternatives, if any?

Pass, and take the plus. I play neg x's thru 3, as do a lot of folks. Here a double should be "cooperative," showing cards, not strictly penalty. That said, if we dbl, P is too likely to bid 5 , so I don't really see an LA.

 

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