Two more problems

[kenrexford]

Both KO events. 2/1 GF.

 

Problem #1:

 

♠AKxxx ♥AKxx ♦Ax ♣xx

 

The classic. 1♠-P-1NT!-P-?

 

Added info. 2♣ rebid could be short (2♦ promises 4+). 2NT...3♥ is GF. Immediate 3♥ shows 5-5 with 5 losers and intermediate (passable). No ability to rebid 2NT as a balanced 18-19 (2NT is artificial relay to 3♣ to show GF hand).

 

Responder held ♠J9xx ♥xxx ♦J10x ♣Qxx

 

Is the solution earlier (pass 1♠)?

 

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Problem #2:

 

Who lost their mind (both possible):

 

A one-up rebid can be 3-card, but not a two-up rebid.

 

Opener: ♠xxxxx ♥x ♦AJxx ♣AQx

Responder: ♠J9x ♥Axx ♦KQ10x ♣xxx

 

The real-world auction:

 

1♦-P-1♥-P-

1♠-P-1NT-P-

all pass

 

1NT made +90

2♦ would make +110

2♠ would make +140

2♥ would make -110

 

Opener's comments: "Just rebid 2♦."

Responder's Comments: "I don't want to risk a reopen into 2♥. I can stand a reopen into 2♣."

Opener: "That's dumb. You already picked off hearts when it matters."

Responder: "Nothing gets us to spades unless you open 1♠."

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 I would force to game via 2NT

followed by 3H.

 

#2 How about opening 1S?

How about responding 1NT instead of bidding 1H

or raising 1D to 2D, although I fail to see, why one

should do this being bal.

Having decided to open 1D, for what ever

reason, you will end up in 1NT.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Finch]

I really don't get this desire to respond in 3-card majors.

On the second hand: either pass in first seat or open 1S. Why is this so difficult?

 

The first hand is a matter of partnership style: if that's a 1NT response, rebid 2H as opener (which would be my choice). I would rebid 2H as opener anyway: if partner passes, what game have we missed? (this includes the concept of responder being able/forced to make a 'courtesy raise' on most hands with 4 hearts).

[miguelm]

#1

I rather promote my hand to GF than anyhting else available. If all those aces and kings aren't enough to promote it I don't know what will ;) and with this bid I am also likely to be with field (the field bids 2NT and most likely will end in game).

 

#2

I think people tend to complicate things... I open 1S and keep my energy for when its worth :)

[Fluffy]

I don't understand Ken, you deleted from your system the hability to show 18-19 balanced, and of course when you get the hand you get problems. There is nothing new.

[pclayton]

Problem 2:

 

Ken, apparently you didn't put geniusing on your list of new years 'no-no's.

 

In one thread you advocate a 'standard' 2/1 auction where responder responds in a 3 card major (which offends me) and opener rebids a 3 card minor (which doesn't offend me).

 

Here, opener opens a canape 1♦ and responder is equally up to the task rebidding another short suit, and you wonder why you are languishing in a horrible contract?

 

What is wrong with a 1♠ opening? I don't even mind a pass. The only response which gives you mild discomfort is 2♥.

 

Obviously 1♠ leads to 2♠, which the rest of us would just see as normal bridge.

[kfay]

1) Since it's a KO I'd go the 2N...3♥ route.

 

Edit: Why the heck wouldn't responder bid 2♠?

 

2) Is this a real question? Who doesn't open 1♠ on this hand? Did responder really say 'Why not rebid diamonds?' because that's hilarious.

[pclayton]

Problem 1:

 

1S - 1N

2H - 2S

2N or 3 minor - 3S

Pass.

[foo]

Problem #1:

♠AKxxx ♥AKxx ♦Ax ♣xx

 

The classic. 1♠-P-1NT!-P-?

 

Answer: 1S-1N;3H-?? WTP?

 

Responder's actual hand of ♠J9xx ♥xxx ♦JTx ♣Qxx

Will now bid 3S as a preference and Opener will pass:

1S-1N;3H-3S;ap

 

(You might have trouble making 3S, let alone 4S)

Again, WTP?

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Problem #2:

Who lost their mind (both possible):

 

Opener: ♠xxxxx ♥x ♦AJxx ♣AQx

Responder: ♠J9x ♥Axx ♦KQTx ♣xxx

 

The real-world auction:

 

1♦-P-1♥-P-

1♠-P-1NT-P-

all pass

 

Answers:

a= S lost their mind opening that cheese whiz in front of partner.

(9 Working HCP out of 10 in a 4333 9 loser hand is a 1m opening? YUCK!)

 

b= a better auction

pa-1S (MUCH safer in 3rd seat); 2S-ap.

[mikeh]

I really don't get this desire to respond in 3-card majors.

On the second hand: either pass in first seat or open 1S.  Why is this so difficult?

 

The first hand is a matter of partnership style: if that's a 1NT response, rebid 2H as opener (which would be my choice).  I would rebid 2H as opener anyway: if partner passes, what game have we missed? (this includes the concept of responder being able/forced to make a 'courtesy raise' on most hands with 4 hearts).

I agree with this, with one caveat.

 

In one partnership, using 2/1 GF, 11-14 1N, 5 card majors, a 2N response to a minor opening as gf values, and requiring 4 cards to raise a major suit response, we play that 1 major/1♦ (not over 1♣) can be a 3 card suit.. this will only be when responder holds 11-12 hcp, and insufficient length to make a limit raise in the minor. But I see no reason to ever distort other hands.

[kenrexford]

Well, I asked for a specific reason.

 

On the first, I elected to force the game. I caught hell for it when it failed.

 

On the second, I was the Responder. Partner opened 1♦, I responded 1♥ (same limit-raise issue), partner rebid 1♠, and I decided tactically to stop at 1NT rather than encourage heart competitition. I intended the 1♥ call to yield a 3♦ call (limit raise) only if Opener rebid 2♦ or raised hearts, because it seemed borderline. I caught hell for that as well.

 

BTW -- the three-card major style in this limited scenario is partner's idea.

[gwnn]

what's wrong with 1♠-1NT-2♥-2♠-2NT-3♠-pass (this in case opener knows pd can bid 1NT forcing on a nothing hand with 4 card support) or 1♠-pass ?

 

what's wrong with opening my friggin 5cM?

[pclayton]

I just can't see forcing to game on the 1st hand. Yes you have plenty of controls, but unless you catch a fit you aren't making game.

[Guest Jlall]

I just can't see forcing to game on the 1st hand. Yes you have plenty of controls, but unless you catch a fit you aren't making game.

Or if you catch a random 8 or 9 count you can make a game, and if partner is 1-3 in the majors will pass.

 

You could also catch a heart fit and play 2H after rebidding 2H when you are cold for game.

 

I'm not saying I would force to game, but clearly bidding 2H has a real risk of missing game, so forcing to game must be at least reasonable.

[pclayton]

I just can't see forcing to game on the 1st hand. Yes you have plenty of controls, but unless you catch a fit you aren't making game.

Or if you catch a random 8 or 9 count you can make a game, and if partner is 1-3 in the majors will pass.

 

You could also catch a heart fit and play 2H after rebidding 2H when you are cold for game.

 

I'm not saying I would force to game, but clearly bidding 2H has a real risk of missing game, so forcing to game must be at least reasonable.

Well thats why I play that silly convention called Gazzilli.

[kenrexford]

I just can't see forcing to game on the 1st hand. Yes you have plenty of controls, but unless you catch a fit you aren't making game.

Or if you catch a random 8 or 9 count you can make a game, and if partner is 1-3 in the majors will pass.

 

You could also catch a heart fit and play 2H after rebidding 2H when you are cold for game.

 

I'm not saying I would force to game, but clearly bidding 2H has a real risk of missing game, so forcing to game must be at least reasonable.

Well thats why I play that silly convention called Gazzilli.

My main irritation with this auction was precisely that -- inadequate use of the 2♣ call. But, my parameters were governed by system.

[benlessard]

1P----pass-----pass for me. I dont like passing with 4 trumps but 4333 isnt like having 4 trumps in my book. Of course ill force to game wtih 5422 18 pts all in in A &K. a 2 H rebid is ridiculous. Even if playing Gaz i would still force to game, this hand is in the 19-20 range not in the 15-17 range.

 

 

Well for the 2nd hand do your system allow to open 1D with 5S ? If no, i cant think of word strong enough to express my disgust at the 1D opening.

 

Usually a 1M response on a 3M is reserved for weakish, GF hands (relay) or limit raise. Why did you change ur mind and rebid 1Nt ? I don't understand why the hand isnt a limit raise anymore after the 1S responses. You have no C stopper and the hand is likely to play 3D as well as in 1Nt (its imps right ?). If you dont want to make a limit at least rebid 2D not 1Nt.

 

I find it funny that you consider these 2 hands bidding problems.

[DWM]

If I remember correctly just after being taught the 4-3-2-1 point system I was told length before strength.

 

I would probably end up in 3S on #2

 

on #1 I would only respond if I had a way of biding a pre-emptive raise in spades.

[jtfanclub]

Opener: ♠xxxxx ♥x ♦AJxx ♣AQx

Responder: ♠J9x ♥Axx ♦KQ10x ♣xxx

 

The real-world auction:

 

1♦-P-1♥-P-

1♠-P-1NT-P-

all pass

My eyes! They burn! They burn!

[jdonn]

Lets go for a new world record. How many hands can there be where both players psych and then the wrong contract is reached as both wonder why?

 

1♠ p 2♠