Fluffy Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=s862hqj7d642caj73]133|100|Scoring: IMPW - N - E - Sps-1♥-2♦-2♥2♠-4♣-ps-4♥5♦- X -ps-??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 where's pd's defensive tricks?? 5♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 5♣ showed a big hand, good ♣ suit and interest in slam, yes?Then I hate the 4♥ bid last round. Was this an appeal hand? Having bid only 4♥ the first time, I don't think South is allowed to change his mind after a slow double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Assuming 4♣ is natural, obvious pull. Why else did partner bid 4♣ if we aren't supposed to accept a push to five on this hand? I'd say there is pretty close to being no alternative. If 4♣ is shortness, which it seems like it can't be since that would make partner 1-1 in the minors or something, obvious pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hi, Pass, wtp? I have a defensive trick, I am bal.maybe 5D makes, but I doubt that5H makes, and 5D may well -2, solets see, how we do in 5D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Assuming 4♣ is natural, obvious pull. Why else did partner bid 4♣ if we aren't supposed to accept a push to five on this hand? I'd say there is pretty close to being no alternative. Agree. What did the auction mean? 4C = I have a hand worth bidding game with clubs and hearts, if they are about to bid 4S or 5D this may help you decide what to do. In my world (which I am aware may not be standard), I am NOT in a forcing pass auction here - partner bid 4C to help me over their bid if we happen to have a big double fit. Now partner is doubling 5D he hasn't suddenly found a lot of spade and diamond cards, he's just saying that he really has a good hand, and it's up to me to decide whether to play or defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Obviously we don´t play pass double inversion, else you had mentioned it. Why should 4 Club show a real second suit? What had pd bid with a 4521 hand? And this hand is surely possible after the bidding so far? With a 2514 hand, he could have bid 3 Club, can´t he? If your methods do not allow to bid 3 Club with a second suit and he must have bid 4 Club to show a strong two suiter, then pulling the double is an idea. In any scenario, double suggested to defend in the context of the bidding so far, we are surely in a forcing pass situation.My 3334 distribution says defence, my lack of defensive tricks screams offense, so I think that this is no way a hand with "no alternative", which is confirmed by the vote so far. Anyway, I would choose to sit. I hate to bid a the 5. level and my hand is not so unusual that I overrule partners descission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I'll pull to 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 our agreements is no splinter when opponents bid a suitm unless its on their suit, so 4♣ was natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Depends on 4C, I like to play it as natural in competiton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Assuming a natural 4♣, this is an obvious pull. The whole point of the 4♣ bid was to get us to pull with such a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Hand was a bit unlucky, with opponents having duplication in both clubs and hearts: [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sk10ha109xxdacq109xx&w=sajxxxhxdj10xxckxx&e=sqxxhkxxxdkq987cx&s=sxxxhqjxdxxxcajxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Why would someone bid 4C with so much outside of hearts and clubs? That hand never wants partner to compete and 4C is just asking him to misjudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Partner bid 4♣ with <50% of his hand in those two suits. typ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I agree that 4 Club does not show his hand, however if you switch the black kings,he more or less has his bids and 5 ♦and 5 ♥ are still one down. And please don´t tell me that he bid this way withxx, AKxxx,x,KQTxx. This hand is a 4 Club bid, but surely no double of 5 Diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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