andy_h Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skxxxhxxd8xxxctxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Playing Matchpoints against some random club players. They are just playing standard and have an auction of: (Dealer is E, we are S)(1H) - p - (2C) - p(2H) - p - (4NT) - p(5S) - p - (6H) - All Pass. 1) What would you lead? Don't know if this matters, but:2)Does it affect your decision if W had tanked before bidding 6H, presuming they probably have all the keycards but doubt they have the imagination of looking for a grand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 a spade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Spade. I think this will (should?) be pretty close to unanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I think this will (should?) be pretty close to unanimous. there's no such thing. In fact, it's closer to that old jewish saying: "where there's 2 jews, there's 3 opinions." :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 My second highest spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Lead my appropriate ♠ pip (4th, 3/5) according to agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 See, I knew I could create a controversy here. "Yeah, but what spade pip?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Hi, #1 a trump, playing MP I wont throw away tricks, playing IMP, I would lead a spade#2 No With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Spade. I think this will (should?) be pretty close to unanimous. I make the same prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Spade. No 2nd choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Spade. I think this will (should?) be pretty close to unanimous. I make the same prediction. Too late. It's now n - 1. Just because it's matchpoints doesn't mean that the contract is cold, nor that you won't get a bad board if it makes, nor that you won't get a good board if it goes off. p.s. to your question 2: no-one ever knows what is going on in the mind of players who bid Blackwood then start thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Spade and i'm leading my appropriate (low) spade. Why would I want partner to win the A and then think there is no future in spades and switch? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 low spade. hoping to catch partner with the ♠Q and entry before all losers go away on the clubs. By leading a spade, I only need partner to have the ♠Q. Leading a diam, I need partner to have 2 honors. I doubt I am throwing away a trick that can't be pitched on the clubs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Spade and i'm leading my appropriate (low) spade. Why would I want partner to win the A and then think there is no future in spades and switch? :( You are betting that the likelihood of partner being able to figure out the falsecard when it matters multiplied by the likelihood that it matters is greater than the likelihood of Declarer being able to figure out the falsecard when it matters multiplied by the likelihood that it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I'd lead a diamond. If it's really the case that we need to take our tricks right away, there are many positions where a diamond lead will work. Perhaps not as many as a spade lead, but still many positions where it works. Especially given the tempo inference that they probably have all the aces, the odds of a spade lead finding partner with ♠A are pretty minimal. It is very normal to start with 2♣ on a balanced 3-card support slam try hand. There is no compelling reason to think they have a huge source of tricks in clubs; club players will bid this way all the time with a flat 17-count and three trumps especially playing "standard" where responder has few clearly forcing heart raises available at second turn. If responder would bid this way both with a balanced hand and a distributional hand, the balanced hand is more likely. And it's matchpoints, so holding the contract to six (i.e. not giving away a free spade trick on the opening lead) might well win the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I'm leading a low spade, the most aggressive lead I can make from this hand. I'm with Echo here; when have we defended slams off the A-K of a side suit that was cashing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Playing Matchpoints against some random club players. They are just playing standard.1) What would you lead? Don't know if this matters, but:2)Does it affect your decision if W had tanked before bidding 6H, presuming they probably have all the keycards but doubt they have the imagination of looking for a grand?1) I'm leading 8♦ at pairs, worried about giving up a ♠ trick. Was the 2♣ bid lead inhibiting? 2) I'm leading a low ♠, attitude lead - what is he tanking about? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_s Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skxxxhxxd8xxxctxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Playing Matchpoints against some random club players. 1) What would you lead? Don't know if this matters, but:2)Does it affect your decision if W had tanked before bidding 6H, presuming they probably have all the keycards but doubt they have the imagination of looking for a grand? Like most other people, I'd lead a spade. I'm not worried about giving up a trick when playing against 'random club players' because I think we're getting a bad score if the slam makes. There's always a significant number of pairs that miss slams - no matter how obvious they are. So not giving up an overtrick is much less important than beating the slam. Playing MPs in a quality field is different. Now a neutral lead is more attractive. I think I'd still lead a spade though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I join with Ken in leading a high spade spot. We need to lead spades because we are hoping to establish a spade trick before partner wins whatever trick he has.. and he has to have one in order for us to have a chance. The choice of spot will often be irrelevant, but an expert partner will play us for the King anyway, if it matters, once he is on lead... in fact, he will often KNOW we hold the K from the play to the 1st trick even if we don't get a chance to signal (play suit preference in trump is one easy way) But once in a while, we will find a situation in which we need declarer to fear that we have led top of nothing. Imagine dummy with Ax in spades and declarer with Qxx, while the club suit is AQJxxx in dummy and xx in declarer's hand. Declarer, thinking that the spade K is offside, will see that he can make the contract, probably with an overtrick, if the club hook works, and is going down anyway if it isn't, because he thinks you have led passively. So up goes the A and down goes the contract. Whereas, if you lead low, he is more inclined to reason that this lead affords him a 75% line of play, via one of two finesses. BTW, only if LHO is a moron are we cashing the AK of spade, and even then, partner will likely see no reasonable alternative to returning a spade anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted January 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Thanks for the inputs. Yeah, I thought spade would be the normal lead, hoping to establish a trick etc I just wasn't too sure if we actually had a chance of defeating it rather than holding it to 12 tricks when it seemed like the hesitation looked like they held most of the cards and maybe partner doesn't have that extra trick we're looking for. But I guess it's a bit hard to read into that anyway, as it could be any random thing. The full deal was: [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sjxxhxxdkjtxcqjxx&w=sxxhajxdaq9xcakxx&e=saqtxhkqt9xxdxcxx&s=skxxxhxxd8xxxctxx]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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