pclayton Posted December 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I bid 4♠ as well. I think this really focuses on spades and says I have great trump (vs 3♠). Pard gives you a nudge to 5♠. What does this mean? What do we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I bid 4♠ as well. I think this really focuses on spades and says I have great trump (vs 3♠). Pard gives you a nudge to 5♠. What does this mean? What do we do? I'll admit that I have no idea what is going on. I like my hand, though, so I try 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I agree with robert, and I think I would bid 6 anyway. For 5♠ maybe partner has ♥A, ♦K, ♣A and spade void Or he can have a good 3 card raise such as Q10x-AQxx-Jxx-Kxx Slam is poor in both holdings, rethinking better I pass 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 2C, Bart I assume. Now if I can just get past this round. :( Not a bad thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 2C, Bart I assume. Now if I can just get past this round. B) BART is not designed for a hand of this type. Besides, 2♣ is not BART. Partner's 2♦ bid over 2♣ is BART. Why would you risk a pass of 2♣? Partner might have something like: x xxx Qxx KJTxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 3♣. This is nearly a pure hand. I follow up with a spade call. After the raise to 5♠ I'd take a shot at slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Or he can have a good 3 card raise such as Q10x-AQxx-Jxx-Kxx I think this hand type agrees with 3♠. Why monkey with 3♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 Or he can have a good 3 card raise such as Q10x-AQxx-Jxx-Kxx I think this hand type agrees with 3♠. Why monkey with 3♥? Not only that, I think it is much more likely that the opponents would have found a bid with 2 spades between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 2C, Bart I assume. Now if I can just get past this round. B) BART is not designed for a hand of this type. Besides, 2♣ is not BART. Partner's 2♦ bid over 2♣ is BART. Why would you risk a pass of 2♣? Partner might have something like: x xxx Qxx KJTxxx If playing full Bart that is a clear 3club raise....partner does not need to bid 2d for BART kick in. I am trying to say BART affects the non 2d responses here. My goal, if I can just get past this round, is to show lots of playing tricks based on shape not on hcp. I understand many forum posts seem to not try and differentiate between playing tricks based on shape compared to hcp. That is why so many say..."this is not about hcp" when I think it is :) My goal is to at least try and show a hand that has:1) lots of shape2) lots of spades3) too good to open 2s or 3s or 4s4) Not good enough to open 2c5) Less than 18/19 hcp.6) interest in slam. If I can just get past this round. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Or he can have a good 3 card raise such as Q10x-AQxx-Jxx-Kxx I think this hand type agrees with 3♠. Why monkey with 3♥? I missed one of your posts and though the bidding was 1♠-1NT-4♠-5♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I think 5 spades is inviting you to bid 6 with no diamond losers. Partner should have something like x AJTxxx xxx Kxx. At least I'm placing him on a singleton spade for the bidding, he might have more or less in clubs for all I know, but he has the king of clubs and no help in diamonds for sure. I'll bite, he might have the jack of clubs after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 :P 4♠, maybe, at matchpoints. It's a thought, anyway. Opponents might blow a trick in the defense given no info on my shape, and missing a slam is less important than in other forms of bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 5S is a spade fit with no diamond control I would imagine. I would bid 6S (not any cuebid as my hand is pretty bad for this auction, especially my clubs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I bid 6♠ as well. Pard put down: ♠Tx ♥KQTxx ♦Jxx ♣Axx. While the contract has some very slim chances, 6♠ is awful. On the actual layout, 10 tricks are the limit. Clubs are wedged behind you and trumps were 3-0 onside. What do you think of pard's bidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 In my opinion, bidding 5S with one known working card is a clear-cut mistake. (I think all our decisions were pretty clearcut as well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I bid 6♠ as well. Pard put down: ♠Tx ♥KQTxx ♦Jxx ♣Axx. While the contract has some very slim chances, 6♠ is awful. On the actual layout, 10 tricks are the limit. Clubs are wedged behind you and trumps were 3-0 onside. What do you think of pard's bidding? prefer my 2clubs over 3clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I'm surprised he went to the well with a wide open diamond suit. Hearts are decent in context but doesn't help declarer much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I guess I'm going against the grain but I think partner bid fine and we don't have a slam bid. Maybe someone can convince me I'm wrong, but I would want beefier clubs. How does he know we don't have the same hand with QJTx of clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think partner bid okay, but I would've passed. Despite my Axx of clubs, I can't really make any really great judgments about partner's hand other than that he has a lot of black cards. If partner has two small diamonds, we're dead on lead and it's very possible we won't make 5. Thinking in another way, I am likely to cover at most two losers in partner's hand. Partner has at least 3.5 losers for not opening 2C with his strong spade suit. Consequently, slam is unlikely to be better than on a finesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I guess I'm going against the grain but I think partner bid fine and we don't have a slam bid. Maybe someone can convince me I'm wrong, but I would want beefier clubs. How does he know we don't have the same hand with QJTx of clubs?I am with Josh here: I think bidding slam after 5♠ is flat-out wildly optimistic. I think the problem is that we are failing to realize what our auction sounds like to partner. In particular, he will be expecting BETTER CLUBS. He will think (as the actual hand demonstrates) that either the A or the K will probably solve most of our problems in that suit. So he will and should make a move on many hands with a top club. I am not entirely sure that the hand he held is quite good enough..... I think 10x Axxxxx xx Axx is far better, because possession of a diamond control is no good unless you also have the heart Ace. But the majority of the fault lies, I think, with opener. Bidding slam requires that we assess the odds of losing no more than one club trick at better than 50%... better, because there is a non-trivial, if small, chance of having a trump loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I personally have a problem with 5♠. I think opener (me) has made it very clear that hearts aren't an issue on this hand. Overcall its a tricky hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgeerkens Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 On hands like these, I try to always remember an old adage: "Good hands shouldn't bid bad suits." The JS to 3C creates all sorts of problems by bidding, strongly, a suit of quality significantly less than that of the hand. That responder decided to show his own suit after opener requested a preference in the blacks is equally odious. Without any system over 1NT, I would jump to 3S if that was forcing, or 4S otherwise (and wish I had opened 2C). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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