15 imp swing

[Apollo81]

I voted "this is beyond words" due to the wow negative double by South and the wow failure to bid 4♥ by North.

 

A Negative double shows an unbid major!

[bid_em_up]

Here is the advantage of playing a Strong NT. When partner opens one of a minor, he has one of two hand types:

 

1) Strong NT+

2) Unbalanced with a minor.

What happened to #3?

 

Balanced with less then NT opening strength.

[gwnn]

so you bid 4♥ whenever u have 4 hearts and a reasonably offensive hand?

[han]

I gave south all the blame. Not because north was without fault, I believe those that claim that north had a clear 5-level bid or even a clear 4H bid on the previous round. So maybe north made a bad decision, but south was just not playing bridge.

[Finch]

The negative double was a psych that caused north to later go wrong when south had an automatic 2♠ bid, second choice 2♦. There is no way north should have passed later, he easily easily easily should bid over the second double, but if he bid he would always be going to hearts anyway, so no matter how you slice it south is to blame.

I agree. This is in the 'beyond words' category from both players.

[Edmunte1]

I also voted 'beyond words', but let's just consider South had a normal hand for his hand (4hearts), i consider both passes with North hand really bad bidding. So the right choice should be 'beyond words and 110% North' :)

[han]

So the right choice should be 'South is beyond words and 110% North' :)

OK, I can live with that.

[gwnn]

what's the minimum hand with which you'd rebid 4♥ on N's hand? Obviously not 3433's or anything, a reasonable

 

2434?

1435?

1426?

 

Just about any hand?

 

Of course another question arises: what's the minimum hand with which you'd neg. X? I've seen differing views on that.

[han]

You could rebid 4H with 3433, for instance with xxx AKJx AJx AQx I would.

[gwnn]

i meant "obviously not 4♥" as in, obviously you would bid 4♥ only on hcp considerations, and even I can count hcp

[han]

OK, so you agree that it depends not only on shape but also on the number of HCP, and even on the location of those points.

 

With the actual hand you have a good shot at game opposite some fairly minimal hands with which partner partner would never act over 3S. With these same hands 3S would likely make. Those are good reasons to bid 4H.

 

I cannot imagine a 12-count 2-4-2-5 shape with which I would bid 4H.

[Edmunte1]

I would bid 4♥ with an unbalnaced hand that i would have bid at least a positive 3♥ bid over 2♠, considering you're playing 2NT good bad. So in other words a 5 1/2 losers hand. In the board you presented 4♥ call is close

I would double 1♠ with at least 7 useful hcp and good shape