gwnn Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 J9xAQJAJxAxxx team game, 3rd seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Assuming 1NT is 15-17, bidding 1NT is clearcut. You are 3334, you have three jacks, you have only one useful spot card. This seems like a rather below-average 17-count. If this is 1♣...2NT then you're playing a 14-16 1NT opening. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 The 3 aces are nice but the hand sucks otherwise. 4333 and 3 jacks are negatives. Clear 1N opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Upgrade? This is nearly a downgrade into 14-16 if that were your range... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I am (I like to think) an aggressive upgrader of notrump hands, but I am 100% with the others on this: it is not even a good 17. While I am not much of a point counter (in terms of adjusting point count), 4333 usually plays a point shy of 4432 or 5332, and Jacks are notoriously overvalued in the 4321 count. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say that I'd open 1N in a 14-16 method... mostly because I downgrade less often, and less radically, than I upgrade, but I understand josh's comment, and it is far closer to the mark (afaiac)than considering this an upgrade beyond 15-17. Edit: I note that josh said 'nearly', so I actually agree 100% with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I guess I'd only add to the above comments that AQJ isn't pleasant either. I tend to downgrade tight honors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Run-of-the-mill 15-17 HCP 1NT opener. Nothing remarkable about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I would not upgrade. However, I would open 1♣ in third seat because I play 1NT as 14-16 in third seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I guess Csaba is playing a 13-15 range, because I cannot understand his question if he does not. I would happily open 1 NT with a 14-16 NT. This hand sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 1 NT, not even close. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 1NT. I fail to see where's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I'm don't downgrade. Opens 1NT.Distribution 4333 is actual for NT open and ♠J, ♦J and ♥AQJ values is maybe good 60%, maybe poor 40%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 If you're into that sort of thing, Kaplan and Rubens hand evaluator says this is a 15.75, so it looks like those of you who open this a 14-16NT have something going for you. Also, I was just playing around with it, trying to find the trashiest 17-count possible according to K&R. KQJ KQx QJx QJxx Evaluates to 13.40! So the next time you pick up this 17-count, you might want to consider opening a 12-14NT :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Upgrade? This is nearly a downgrade into 14-16 if that were your range... exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 0-31-0 votes, is it a new record? What kind of upgrade were you thinking about Csaba? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 http://www.amazon.com/AudreyGrant/pointcountforbeginners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Would open 1NT even if I had the nine of clubs as well as the nine of spades. However, recent research leads to the conclusion that (contrary to popular belief) 4-3-3-3 shapes actually play rather better in no trumps at the partscore or game level than 4-4-3-2 shapes with the same honour structure. The main reasons for this are: if partner has a five-card suit, you will have a three-card fit for it, making it easier to establish; even if partner does not have a five-card suit, then as long as he has a different four-card suit from yours, you will have (at least) two 4-3 fits either (or any) of which might break 3-3 and provide some extra tricks; if partner does not have a singleton (when you probably won't play in no trumps anyway), the opponents won't have a nine-card fit, so that even if they lead your weak suit, it might break 4-4. So maybe I should upgrade this hand because it's 4-3-3-3. I still won't, though, if it's all the same to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Bass ackwards! This hand is near totally up/down based on what partner has and pollers are blocking partner's 1-level bid with 1NT ??? Open 1C! Decide next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Bass ackwards! This hand is near totally up/down based on what partner has and pollers are blocking partner's 1-level bid with 1NT ??? Open 1C! Decide next. Decide what next? Whether to overbid 2NT by a point or underbid 1NT by three points depending what partner responds?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 http://www.amazon.com/AudreyGrant/pointcountforbeginners This link doesn't work (at least here) If you have time, please post the hand in question. Thx .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Bass ackwards! This hand is near totally up/down based on what partner has and pollers are blocking partner's 1-level bid with 1NT ??? Open 1C! Decide next. There's one in every crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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