how would you bid this

[sceptic]

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=sjhaq4dj963caj742&w=sk63hkt986d7ckqt8&e=s542h532dq542c653&s=saqt987hj7dakt8c9]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 1♥    2♣    Pass  2♠

 Pass  2NT   Pass  3♦

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

 

 

all comments welcomed

[Walddk]

I am not in love with 2♣, but I have seen worse. The rest is fine until overcaller passes 3♦. New suit at the 3-level by advancer is forcing, even if you have the agreement that 2♠ could have been passed. In my book 2♠ and 3♦ are both forcing.

 

Since this is IMPs I suggest that you support (4♦). 3NT is an alternative at matchpoints. You will likely end up in 5♦ although slam, even grand slam, can be made.

 

Roland

[helene_t]

I don't consider 3♦ forcing if 2♠ is not, but I do like to play 2♠ as forcing and then 3♦ is forcing as well. S needs to force to game, and presumably he considered 2♠ and 3♦ both to be forcing. Otherwise he can start with 3♠ which would be the way to make a forcing shift.

[mcphee]

I also am not fond of the 2C overcall, but there it is. 2S is F and for me so is 3D. I think the hand that bid 2C might try 3H over 3D at least this leaves a lot of room open, although not perfect by any means. Passing 3D is out of the question and I would not be ready to give up on 3N as a place to play.

[whereagles]

I think N must bid 3NT over 3♦. Or at least 4♦.

[gizzydrop]

I really dont like 2♣ with these types of hand. I have a poor suit that i dont neccessarily want lead and values in their suit.

 

After 1♥ pass pass, probably 2♠-3♣-3♦-3NT/4♦

 

However, i know plenty of people who do bid 2♣ with the north cards, and over 3♦ (isnt this completely forcing?) 3NT or 4♦ could be right.

[helene_t]

The 2♣ overcall is fine with me, although it is out of the question if vulnerable.

 

If East had the spades, the 2♣ overcall could make the auction awkward for EW. And with the well-placed ♥Q, North has the values for a 2-level overcall at IMPs.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

most likely just a matter of partnership

agreement, but at least for me 2S by Sout

is non forcing.

 

Depends on your agreements regarding 2-level

overcalls, but I would force to game with the

South hand.

=> A 2H cue bid is in order, after which South

will bid 3S.

 

I guess this issue was the reason, why the auction

died in 3D.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[hrothgar]

I am not in love with 2♣, but I have seen worse. The rest is fine until overcaller passes 3♦. New suit at the 3-level by advancer is forcing, even if you have the agreement that 2♠ could have been passed. In my book 2♠ and 3♦ are both forcing.

 

Since this is IMPs I suggest that you support (4♦). 3NT is an alternative at matchpoints. You will likely end up in 5♦ although slam, even grand slam, can be made.

 

Roland

I agree with Roland

[jtfanclub]

Like many intermediates, I play new suit by responder as NF constructive- all GF hands go through the cue bid.

 

So this would go...

1♥ 2♣ P 2♥

-P- 2NT P 3♠

 

 

at which point the overcaller either bids 3NT or 4♦, which either ends the auction or gets you to 6♦, respectively.

[Walddk]

Let's face it; very few would be able to bid this perfecto to a slam which is quite good because of ♠J in one hand, Q109 in the other *and* the nice intermediates in diamonds.

 

13 hcp outstanding, so it's not completely out of the question that a king is offside if opener has a shapely hand. Same applies for ♦Q of course. Diamonds could also be 4-1 and spades 4-2 which will complicate matters in slam. As it is, slam is good, but it doesn't have to be.

 

To be fair, when I said that I'm not in love with 2♣, I must also confess that I might bid it myself occasionally, depending on my mood. It's a reasonable hand after all ... until it goes pass pass double, all pass.

 

Now I hate it!

 

Roland