Edmunte1 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sk92hqj108762d2ck5]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Your choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 4♥ - too much at this vul for 3♥. Second choice would be 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sk92hqj108762d2ck5]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Your choice? Mark me down for 3♥, though I wish that I had one less King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Hi, first let me state, what I wont do: I wont open 1H.I wont open 3H.I wont use other, ... What is left?Pass or 4H. I think both options are valid, but I mostlikely would go with 4H, at least partnerknows, that a 4H preempt can sometimeshave lots of outside values. And no, this is not an everyday preempt. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3♥, without a second thought. Why would I consider opening a 1 bid with an aceless hand with less than opening values? I am sure that there are some out there who don't think this hand is good enough for an opening 3 bid vulnerable (but not on this Forum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3♥ looks normal to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dealer: South Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ K92 ♥ QJ108762 ♦ 2 ♣ K5 Your choice? 1H My choice. I am not going to preempt at the 3 level with 2 side kings, not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3♥ looks normal to me yea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Originally we play multy. With this hand 2♦ (weak in one major or strong (19-22) NT distribution). In SAYC system - 2♥. Count exactly 6 tricks in heart game.Both red, down too, exactly for 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I lack the imagination for anything but 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3♥. The only other halfway reasonable option is 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1♥ - I won't ever preempt with two outside cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 3♥, but not happy about it. Second choice pass. I won't ever open 1♥ with so few points and so little defense. I do expect partner to game force with many 13-counts with short hearts after all (AQJx x KQJxx xxx is a totally normal game force for example, but also an easy pass of a 3♥ open). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 nice you put 3♥, because that is exactly what I though when I saw the hand, faviourable might change things, but at equeal 3♥ is plain obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I'm plenty happy to open 3♥ even though I also would with a king less. Mix it up a little, if you always have the same hand for a preempt you are very easy to play against. True it can sometimes make partner guess, and having such a good holding in the other major could possibly miss a contract there, but when you preempt you are taking a shot to begin with that it's not your hand so back up what you think. I don't know which of 1♥ or 4♥ is more disgusting. 4♥ is getting way too much support, I probably give that a 1/10 and 1♥ a 2/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I wouldn't use the word disgusting, but I agree with Josh-now-with-a-signature-donn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I don't know which of 1♥ or 4♥ is more disgusting. 4♥ is getting way too much support, I probably give that a 1/10 and 1♥ a 2/10. The proper way to say it: IMO 3♥ = 101♥ = 24♥ = 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 The thing that 4♥ has going for it which makes it higher rated than pass or 1♥ IMO is that you might catch a lucky dummy where 4♥ is cold and there is no way to reach it, such as: AQJxKxxxxxQxx It is sort of silly to argue about which call is a very distant 2nd best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 4H I don't find that 3H preempts anyone when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I'm plenty happy to open 3♥ even though I also would with a king less. Mix it up a little, if you always have the same hand for a preempt you are very easy to play against. True it can sometimes make partner guess, and having such a good holding in the other major could possibly miss a contract there, but when you preempt you are taking a shot to begin with that it's not your hand so back up what you think.<snip> If you have a more variable style, than you are harderto play against, but also harder to partner. Opening with a preempt is also a constructie move, notonly a destructive move. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 4H I don't find that 3H preempts anyone when it matters. So do you never open 3♥? This seems a pretty bizarre statement. I think 3♥ is normal. It isn't the paragon of a 3♥ bid, but it's a lot closer to that than it is to anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 4H I don't find that 3H preempts anyone when it matters. I find that 1♣ has some preemptive effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 4H I don't find that 3H preempts anyone when it matters. I find that 1♣ has some preemptive effect Yes, it stops all those passers from crowding the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 4H I don't find that 3H preempts anyone when it matters. I find that 1♣ has some preemptive effect I agree. I like to open weak hands with long club suits. Doesn't have a lot to do with a fistful of hearts missing AK. Somehow I find that 3H is the three level preemptive equivalent of a weak two diamonds. If it's your hand you would have had it anyway. If it's their hand, you boost them into close games. Given any excuse I will bid 4H, and lose the golden opportunity for +140. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Or you miss an opportunity for a not-so-bad -200 or -500. But what's an extra 300 among friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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