jchiu Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 You hold ♠KQ863 ♥AJ62 ♦QJ73 ♣---, and at unfavourable vulnerability, it goes Pass Pass 1♣ to you. Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I tend to double on these, especially when pard is a passed hand. Doubling caters to finding a 4-4 heart fit or a diamond fit. 1♠ caters to specifically finding a 5-3 spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Agree with double, though I don't like to do it with 5-4 in the majors. But here it seems too likely that the bidding will come back to me at 3C or higher, and then I'd prefer to have doubled rather than bid 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1S, very happy to double up to 4C later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ever since one of my partners asked me 'Why don't you just bid like a human being?' when I doubled with 5-4 in the majors I've bid my 5-card major. 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1S, very happy to double up to 4C later As usual, we agree about most low level bidding decisions. I used to double these but have missed too many 5-3 ♠ fits and have enough to double again and also to rebid ♥ to show 5-4 (unless PD introduces ♦ in which case we have 9 or 10 of them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I tend to double on these, especially when pard is a passed hand. Doubling caters to finding a 4-4 heart fit or a diamond fit. 1♠ caters to specifically finding a 5-3 spade fit. But the difference is you still have very good chances of finding a 4-4 fit on the side after 1♠. Your chances of finding a 5-3 spade fit after double are almost nonexistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1♠, can still Dbl later. The other way around is not possible so if you Dbl first, you're not going to find a 5-3 ♠ fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 X But it is a matter of style. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I chose double as I viewed it as a one-bid hand. Certainly there's a limit. If we had, e.g. KJxxx Axxx Qxxx --- are we doubling now? I was interested that several of the good players here would treat the given hand as a two-bid hand and will try to incorporate that into my evaluation going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I prefer to bid my 5 card suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1S is my pick on these hands, I can dble for take out later. If I held 5 horrible S I may be more inclined to dble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I am older as Justin, so I would just double up to 3 Club with no pain. 4 Club only if the table presence tells me that it is right. But this is not the question. the first bid is 1 ♠. If I had happen to have 4540, I had bid 1 Heart, no problems.....yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 If I had 5431, I'd bid a spade. As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit. If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1♠ -- and i think robson/segal book advocates the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 If I had 5431, I'd bid a spade. As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit. If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in. and that's bad because .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 If I had 5431, I'd bid a spade. As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit. If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in. and that's bad because .... 1. the opps are always so rude after they wrote down their - 8002. my pd had no penalty pass, he just did not want to bid 4 Heart onxx, KQxxx,Kx,xxxx ("But I just had 8 HCPS!")3. my pd always thinks that if I double now that I have a black two suiter. Something like KQxxx,x,xx,Akxxx.And he does not want to ruin the score with Ax,Qxx,Axxx,xxxx.4. Another mad reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 1♠ -- and i think robson/segal book advocates the same. correct. 1S by miii tuuuu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ever since one of my partners asked me 'Why don't you just bid like a human being?' when I doubled with 5-4 in the majors I've bid my 5-card major. Just wondering what you answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I chose double as I viewed it as a one-bid hand. Certainly there's a limit. If we had, e.g. KJxxx Axxx Qxxx --- are we doubling now? I was interested that several of the good players here would treat the given hand as a two-bid hand and will try to incorporate that into my evaluation going forward. I would even bid 1♠ on this hand, and then double 2cpp or 3cpp Obv not as happy about it as the OP hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ever since one of my partners asked me 'Why don't you just bid like a human being?' when I doubled with 5-4 in the majors I've bid my 5-card major. Just wondering what you answered. I would have said "what makes you think I'm human?" :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhall Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Double, it's not even close. If I bid 1♠ and later double, that shows high cards and denies takeout-double shape. I don't expect partner to trot out a bad 4-card suit over the later double; he will run back to spades with as little as xx. Or convert to penalty with 1.5 defensive tricks against clubs. Those are not the results I long for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Double, it's not even close. If I bid 1♠ and later double, that shows high cards and denies takeout-double shape. I don't expect partner to trot out a bad 4-card suit over the later double; he will run back to spades with as little as xx. Or convert to penalty with 1.5 defensive tricks against clubs. Those are not the results I long for. I thought one spade now and double of club rebid later was clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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