pclayton Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 ♠KQxxx ♥Kx ♦Qxxx ♣xx Pairs, red / white 1♥ pard as dealer, 2♣ on right, 2♠ you, 4♣ (preemptive) left, 4♦ pard, 5♣ right. On a scale from 1 to 10 rate the following calls: Pass, Double, 5♦, Other (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Pass 10Double 85♦ 3other 0 Pass should show diamonds, but it is not completelly clear, our hand isn't very big for ofense, double avoids missunderstandings and that would be my pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 rate..? huh.. ok, let's give it a shot. I'll assume pass is forcing here. Pass: 85♦: 9Dbl: 4 I guess what I'm saying is "it's close between 5 or pass the bucket." Pard is probably in a better situation to judge what to do, but he doesn't know one important thing about our hand, which is the diamond support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I double. No aces suggests strongly that the 5 level belongs to the opponents. I might make 5D but equally we might not. I think passing or bidding 5D would suggest a more offensive hand than I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I would rate this way. Pass = 105♦ = 8DBL = 1 Double is pretty meritless with diamond support and nothing in clubs. It's not as though partner will bid 5 without a reason if you pass. This is a textbook forcing pass. You have support for partner but not enough offense to go on your own, yet no reason to think 5 is wrong if partner wants to bid it. If I thought pass weren't forcing I would rate something like 5♦ = 7Pass = 6DBL = 3 based on the likelihood of each working to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I would rank it: Pass 105♦ 8Double 4 Although I do not believe pass is forcing, I have shown some values with my 2♠ call. Yes I have no Aces, but why is my hand that defensive? I also know that partner always wonder why we're doubling here with xx in a non forcing pass situation. I think I would just leave it up to partner. I don't mind if he doubles or bids on, or even if he passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Considering pass as forcing, my votes would be: -5♦ -9-Pass - 8-Dbl -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Pass = 105♦ = 8DBL = 1 Agree with this. I wonder what the top choice of the people who don't give a 10 is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I wonder what the top choice of the people who don't give a 10 is. 10 is for a perfect bid. I got none available, so 9 is my top :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 5D = 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Pass seems horrible to me, I would bid 5D. I have a diamond fit and Kx of hearts and partner bid 4D freely what do I need to bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?). I felt at the time that because of our minimum strength, death holding in clubs and secondary values in spades that doubling was best. Its easy to see how it could be right - make pard's hand something like: ♠x ♥AQxxxx ♦AJxxx ♣x and defending 5♣ looks right. It actually didn't matchpoint too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 X =10; P =5; 5D =2I want to give no impression of extras after 2S. Esp no A which pass suggests =going higher looks ok from me. 5D is too high if 2 aces are missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 If I trust my opponents at all, I hate double. RHO isn't crazy; he has a reason for bidding 5C against a partscore, whether he thinks he can make it, or if he's giving me a losing option over what he feels almost certainly to be 5D or 4S by me if he does nothing. I also dislike pass. Sure, I don't have significant extras, but it sounds like partner is distributional, and the combination of 4 trumps and Kx in his other suit should play extremely well. I rate it 5D = 10P = 5X = 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?). I felt at the time that because of our minimum strength, death holding in clubs and secondary values in spades that doubling was best. Its easy to see how it could be right - make pard's hand something like: ♠x ♥AQxxxx ♦AJxxx ♣x and defending 5♣ looks right. It actually didn't matchpoint too bad. I hope I'm not resulting the hand, but I'd bid 5♦ rather than X for the reasons given by Justin and others, and honestly PD's 65 hand with a club void is so offensive that at MP vul I am pulling to 5♦ since I really think one Red suit game or the other is a clear favorite and that we won't hurt 5♣x NV enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 If I trust my opponents at all, I hate double. RHO isn't crazy; he has a reason for bidding 5C against a partscore, whether he thinks he can make it, or if he's giving me a losing option over what he feels almost certainly to be 5D or 4S by me if he does nothing. Did you notice the vulnerability? His reason for bidding 5♣ is because he thinks we have a game, not a part score. Do you really expect the bidding to suddenly die at 4♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Double! Mean 5C is especially bid for im bid 5D! Double - 95D - 7Pass - 4Other (5H) - 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Since both 5♦ and double are non-absurd, a forcing pass must be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?). Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 TNT for this hand probably is 19.If we have 5D contract 5C contract down three. Loses 100 points!If we not have 5D contract and 5C contract down two we win much more points! After biding stage closed (5Cx) easy lead club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Close between P and 5♦. I agree that once you've doubled 5♣, it is absolutely clear for partner to pass it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?). Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull. So you are saying that a double of 5♣ is primarily penalty? I would find it difficult to believe that I could ever have a real trump stack on this auction. At least I know thats what Josh Sher would say :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?). Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull. So you are saying that a double of 5♣ is primarily penalty? I would find it difficult to believe that I could ever have a real trump stack on this auction. At least I know thats what Josh Sher would say :) What are you suggesting Phil? That a double of 5C is forward going? Obviously without an agreement to the contrary a double is the least forward going call you can make. So it seems really wrong with Kx Qxxx in partner's suit and no club honors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I would rate this way. Pass = 105♦ = 8DBL = 1 Double is pretty meritless with diamond support and nothing in clubs. It's not as though partner will bid 5 without a reason if you pass. This is a textbook forcing pass. You have support for partner but not enough offense to go on your own, yet no reason to think 5 is wrong if partner wants to bid it. If I thought pass weren't forcing I would rate something like 5♦ = 7Pass = 6DBL = 3 based on the likelihood of each working to me. This seems about right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Wow - I guess I'm out on my own here. I doubled at the table which got us a paltry +300 against our cold 6♦. Pard held: xx, ♥Axxxxx ♦ AKxxx ♣void (should he pull?). Partner is not even in the universe of a pull. He bid diamonds on the 4 level already, so he doesn't have that much extra shape. And our hand never gave the slightest hint of a fit, we could easily have four decent clubs if we double. I know you were just asking the question and not suggesting an opinion, but I think it's total resulting if anyone says partner should pull. So you are saying that a double of 5♣ is primarily penalty? I would find it difficult to believe that I could ever have a real trump stack on this auction. At least I know thats what Josh Sher would say :) What are you suggesting Phil? That a double of 5C is forward going? Obviously without an agreement to the contrary a double is the least forward going call you can make. So it seems really wrong with Kx Qxxx in partner's suit and no club honors. No I'm not suggesting a double is forward-going - quite the opposite. I'm suggesting a double is regressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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