Tough Decision

[kfay]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=skhdq943cqj1087543]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

How do you start the bidding?

[nick_s]

At this vulnerability, 3♣ is plenty. My 2nd choice is pass.

 

Preempts in a minor suit are often more effective than preempts in a major suit because the opponents have to choice between three common game contracts rather then just two. Reminding myself of this often helps keep me from getting too aggressive.

[han]

I choose 4C. I think this is most descriptive in terms of playing strength and I am not worried about missing 3NT.

[hrothgar]

Torn between 4♣ and 5♣

 

Would probably bid 5

[helene_t]

I like 4♣ to show something like this hand, unless we play it as artificial: very good O-D but too little top strength to be aiming at 3N.

 

With a p/o partner I would bid 3♣.

[P_Marlowe]

4C.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Fluffy]

4♣ if avaible, 3 otherwise (would bid 5 at other vulnerability)

[whereagles]

4♣ seems just about par for this context. With such length in the minors, it wouldn't be surprising to hear LHO bid 4M and pard axing it :P

[jdonn]

4 seems pretty aggressive at this vul but just about right, mostly because 5 makes me wet my pants at the number I'm likely about to go for and 3 makes my opponents want to send me a thank you card after the hand.

[gwnn]

4C if available, 5 otherwise, 3 is unbearable, is horrible horrible horrible

[mike777]

4C if available, 5 otherwise, 3 is unbearable, is horrible horrible horrible

3 Clubs

[finally17]

Preempts in a minor suit are often more effective than preempts in a major suit because the opponents have to choice between three common game contracts rather then just two. Reminding myself of this often helps keep me from getting too aggressive.

There are 25 major suit cards out...odds seem pretty darned likely to me that opps will choose a major if I give them the chance to do it so easily. And they have more chance to evaluate slam potential.

 

4♣ looks fine to me.

[kfay]

New problem:

 

Your partner opens 4♣

 

What do you bid with:

 

[hv=s=saj10hkxxdkj10xcakx]133|100|[/hv]

[han]

4D keycards, partner would show none, I'd sign off in 5C and partner would pass.

[mike777]

I so seldom get to open a 3 level bid at unfav promising 7 playing tricks that cannot open a light one level bid. Finally someone posts a rare hand I can. ty.

[jdonn]

I would not reach that slam probably.

[foo]

New problem:

 

Your partner opens 4♣

 

What do you bid with:

 

AJT_Kxx_KJTx_AKx

GOP's 4C preempt should show one of

8C221, 8C311, or 8C320

 

It's a safe assumption you have no ♣ losers and that GOP has hard values outside of ♣'s. Pard also rates to have 2-3 Cover cards and at least one stiff or void. Especially having preempted 4C at Unfavorable opposite an unpassed hand.

 

Now let's see how the hands could fit together:

AJT_Kxx_KJTx is essentially Cxx_Cxx_Cxxx in the other 3 suits where "C" denotes a Cover card and "x" is a likely loser.

 

Cxx_Cxx_Cxxx : (xx_xx_x, xx_x_xx, x_xx_xx, etc) => only 2 losers

IOW, if GOP has =nothing= outside ♣'s We rate to make 5C

...and pard rates highly to have 2 cover cards.

 

Bid 6C.

[the hog]

I would open 5C. With the posted responding hand I would bid 6.

[neilkaz]

4 seems pretty aggressive at this vul but just about right, mostly because 5 makes me wet my pants at the number I'm likely about to go for and 3 makes my opponents want to send me a thank you card after the hand.

I couldn't say it any better. 3♣ doesn't do enough and 5♣ seems to risky at this vul. 4♣ is rather risky as well, but it is also my call.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

The vulnerability matters.

 

Red vs. Green, 4C should show a hand

which goes -2.

You have 3 sure tricks and 2 additional Kings,

i.e. slam will have chances, except you are

missing 2 Aces.

 

Bid 4NT, if partner shows zero Aces with 5C,

you pass, else you can bid 6C.

 

If your partner did open 5C at the given vulnerability

you have a clear raise to 6C, giving up on 7C.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: At any other vulnerability, I would just raise 4C

to 5C, and I may pass a 5C opener.

[jdonn]

Edit: Quoted a post that I later realized I misinterpreted.

[Mbodell]

Hi,

 

The vulnerability matters.

 

Red vs. Green, 4C should show a hand

which goes -2.

You have 3 sure tricks and 2 additional Kings,

i.e. slam will have chances, except you are

missing 2 Aces.

 

Bid 4NT, if partner shows zero Aces with 5C,

you pass, else you can bid 6C.

I agree vulnerability matters a lot, but if you have a rule that unfavorable shows -2 then if you are bidding keycard it is only to find out about 6 or 7 imo. If partner shows up with no aces it means he has at least one red void unless he has KQx x x QJxxxxxx or 10 clubs. I'd stop at nothing short of 6♣ on that hand over a rule of 2 4♣ opener.

[Raivis]

Mdaa...

 

With K/-/Qxxx/QJTxxxxx i'm pass!

My agreement simple - before partner - constructive preemptive, after partner - destructive/random.

 

If i'm bid preemptive with this hand my partner no chances count my really tricks and definite we play bad final contract.

[Raivis]

:)

 

AJT  K

Kxx  -

KJTx Qxxx

AKx  QJTxxxxx

 

Right?

<_<

 

Best contract - 6♣.Thanks for advantage!

[Apollo81]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=skhdq943cqj1087543]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

How do you start the bidding?

4♣ since we're at unfavorable.