ArcLight Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Imps All White ♠ A K x♥T x x♦K Q♣A K 5 4 2 What do you open? Lets say you open 1♣ 1♣ - p - 1♠ - p? Now what? 2NT?2♥?Other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 please, not this again. it's an obvious 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I would disagree.It is a wtp 2 NT....not just obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 1T, followed by 2NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I was floored finding myself finally agreeing with DA EAGLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 2N has been standard on this hand for at least 20 years. Similar hands have been in MSC and it's interesting to see how view change in different eras. If this problem was presented pre-1990, you'd get a handful of votes for 3♠ and some weird votes for 2♥ when reversing into a short suit was in vogue. You'd get plenty of players upgrading this hand to a 2N opening too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 please, not this again. it's an obvious 2NT 2NT with my flat 19 count, off course ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finally17 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 2N has been standard on this hand for at least 20 years. Similar hands have been in MSC and it's interesting to see how view change in different eras. If this problem was presented pre-1990, you'd get a handful of votes for 3♠ and some weird votes for 2♥ when reversing into a short suit was in vogue. You'd get plenty of players upgrading this hand to a 2N opening too. Was there really a day when reversing into Txx was acceptable? That seems like it's asking for a world of trouble. Not here, because a partner who goes wild about hearts had five spades you can insist on...but on other hands... I hate 2N upgrades. For the heck of it, I can't imagine any other rebid than 2N either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I know with certainty Marshall Miles would rebid 3♠. I know of no one else for sure who would not rebid 2NT, if they haven't opened 2NT anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 2♦ would occur to me but I prefer 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I think this one is an obvious 2nt. If you changed the hand to say[hv=s=sakxhxxdkqtcakxxx]133|100|[/hv] then some players might try a reverse instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Easy 2NT opening for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I have a balanced 18-19 count with no 5cM. So I open 1♣, my best minor, and rebid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I have a balanced 18-19 count with no 5cM. So I open 1♣, my best minor, and rebid 2NT. Well stated, Csaba :blink: My thoughts, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Arclight, I'd suggest reading a bridge book sometime :blink:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 2N has been standard on this hand for at least 20 years. Similar hands have been in MSC and it's interesting to see how view change in different eras. If this problem was presented pre-1990, you'd get a handful of votes for 3♠ and some weird votes for 2♥ when reversing into a short suit was in vogue. You'd get plenty of players upgrading this hand to a 2N opening too. Was there really a day when reversing into Txx was acceptable? That seems like it's asking for a world of trouble. Not here, because a partner who goes wild about hearts had five spades you can insist on...but on other hands... I hate 2N upgrades. For the heck of it, I can't imagine any other rebid than 2N either. Yeah or even the KQ dub. Anything but 2N or a 3 card jump raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Easy 2NT, unless I play one of the 2♦-conventions which includes strong balanced hand with 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Did I miss something, or was the KQ-tight in diamonds previously KQx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finally17 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 It was as it is now (3325) the first time I read it. It makes me surprised so many people are upgrading. Anyone care to make a case, here or in general? Maybe my problem is the kind of things people will respond to 2N on, even not simply transferring but offering 3N (I see quacky 5332 4 counts get transferred and rebid 3N all the time opposite 2N openers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 5th card on a good suit (KQxxx+) counts as 1 hcp. Thus the hand is worth 20 hcp and a 2NT opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 5th card on a good suit (KQxxx+) counts as 1 hcp. Thus the hand is worth 20 hcp and a 2NT opener. and doubleton KQ's are 5hcp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 5th card on a good suit (KQxxx+) counts as 1 hcp. Thus the hand is worth 20 hcp and a 2NT opener. The had as currently shown - AKx xxx KQ AK542 is nowhere near a 2NT opener.Another version that has been suggested (AKx xx KQx AK542) is still not a 2NT opener for me. I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like AKxxxAxxAKJ109 before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Well, with KQ-tight in diamonds, I can live with 1♣...2NT. If the pips were better, something like A98-109x-KQ-AK98x, I'd absolutely open 2NT. No position either way is clearly right or wrong, so long as partner knows the parameters, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Another version that has been suggested (AKx xx KQx AK542) is still not a 2NT opener for me. I play 2NT as 20-a bad 22 and almost never upgrade 19-counts. Certainly not this one. With this hand as a starting piont It has to look more like AKxxxAxxAKJ109 before I'll upgrade (and to be honest, even though I'd open that hand 2NT to help getting to slam, if 1C ends the auction you are very unlikely to have missed game) That example seems pretty close to being too good for a 20-21 2NT opening. AKx xx KQx AKxxx I can't believe calling this a 19 count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Easy 1C opening. I see no reason to upgrade this to 2Nt Ill bid 2D followed by 2/3S with an experienced partner otherwise ill bid 2Nt. A tactical 2H reverse is also a nice bid against weakers players but again an experienced partner is needed. 1C---1S----2D----2S3S 1C---1S-----2H----3H3S 1C---1S-----2D----3D3S These are sequence to show a 3crd raise and more often then not the 2nd is a fragment not a real suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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