Seeing Red

[finally17]

Honestly, nothing but 4 gets any real consideration from me. Anything less and I'm going to get outbid to a making 2/3 spades, whereas even if 4H is going down (be honest, it has very reasonable chances unless I need to find a new partner) it's going to score better than the alternative. The immediate jump to 4 also gives partner fine opportunity to evaluate the situation (screams: PARTNER I HAVE JUNK) when opps outbid me to 4S.

[neilkaz]

4♥ for me in response to the take out double and this implies distribution rather than a fist full of high cards on an action like this.

[the hog]

2H followed by 3H. Seems obvious to me. I play 3H as pre emptive, but the H suit is not good enough for that imo.

[mike777]

2H followed by 3H. Seems obvious to me. I play 3H as pre emptive, but the H suit is not good enough for that imo.

Wow these votes for free bid of 2H over 2c really surprise me. I got 6 hearts yes?

[jdonn]

2H followed by 3H. Seems obvious to me. I play 3H as pre emptive, but the H suit is not good enough for that imo.

Wow these votes for free bid of 2H over 2c really surprise me. I got 6 hearts yes?

Sorry I missed the memo that 2♥ denies a six card suit.

 

I got 4 points for my freebid, yes?

[nige1]

[hv=d=w&v=b&s=saxxh109xxxxd85xcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-_X-(2♣)-??[/hv]

IMO 3♥=10, 4♥=8, 2♥=4, _P=1

I confess I might bid 4♥ at the table but Jdonn convinces me that it's an overbid.

 

Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠ [space] ♥ Qx ♦ AKQT9xx ♣ AKxx

(1♠)-_X-(2♣)-4♥(_P)-??

IMO 6♦=10, 5♦=8, 5♥=4, _P=1

I give winning actions low marks just to show that I'm not a result merchant B)

[gwnn]

So Josh convinced you that 4♥ is too much, but he was not adequately persuasive as to why 3♥ is not a good bid? B)

[ArtK78]

Nigel:

 

What you are saying is that you believe that 3♥ and 4♥ are the top actions on the long heart hand. And, opposite a 4♥ call, the long diamond hand should bid slam.

 

Given that there are two top losers, this is not the most convincing argument that I have ever seen.

 

I admit that if my partner bid 4♥, I would probably get to slam on the big hand, too. But that merely shows why the 4♥ call is wrong.

 

I stick by my choice of bidding 2♥ with the long heart hand.

[ArcLight]

LHO has 5+ spades

Pard has a spade void.

RHO doesn't bid spades?

We have 3.

 

Where are the spades, what is going on with the opponents bidding?

Spades are: 6-4? Then why the 2♣ bid (which doesnt show a good hand over a DBL) rather than bidding spades or redoubling? Jordan 2NT is available.

 

Spades are 7-3? ReDbl then bid spades.

 

Spades are 8-2?

[helene_t]

that hand is much too strong for 3♠ and just strong enough for X+diamonds.

Why? If it had been much weaker you would just have overcalled 2♦, wouldn't you? I think the jumpcue should be reserved for hands that are too strong for a simple overcall an not flexible enough for a double.

[jtfanclub]

[hv=d=w&v=b&s=saxxh109xxxxd85xcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-_X-(2♣)-??[/hv]

IMO 3♥=10, 4♥=8, 2♥=4, _P=1

I confess I might bid 4♥ at the table but Jdonn convinces me that it's an overbid.

Ew.

 

I don't know if it's a 2♥ bid or a 4♥ bid, but a 3♥ bid is not a a hand that's too strong for 2♥ and too weak for 4♥. It shows a completely different hand, at least on the planet I play on.

 

Assuming that 2♣ is nonforcing over an X, I would expect 3♥ to be a 10 count with 4 hearts.

[gwnn]

that hand is much too strong for 3♠ and just strong enough for X+diamonds.

Why? If it had been much weaker you would just have overcalled 2♦, wouldn't you? I think the jumpcue should be reserved for hands that are too strong for a simple overcall an not flexible enough for a double.

A minimum 3♠ should look something like

 

x

QTx

AKJxxxx

Kx

 

Or even less, if you don't mind having semi-stops (JTx in hearts anyone?). The maximum should be a hand that knows for sure that slam is not on under normal circumstances. The hand in question certainly does not conform to this criterion - almost every hand without a void in ♦ and ♥K and ♣Q (5hcp!!!!!!!) will produce very good chances for 12 tricks.

 

That said, I'm not very much into this thing. I just happen to think there are hands that warrant the jump cue by giving enough combined chances from a) reaching a makable, otherwise unreachable 3NT and b) preemptive reasons without being too strong for a two level overcall.