Seeing Red

[kfay]

I held this hand today and wasn't sure what to do:

 

[hv=d=w&v=b&s=saxxh109xxxxd85xcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-Dbl-(2♣)-?[/hv]

 

Your call.

[gwnn]

Pass is probably the book bid, but I'd probably bid 2♥ anyway at the table. Pd is strong balanced? We'll play a nice 4♥ contract. Pd isn't strong balanced? We have located a nice 9.5 card fit, and we can ruff spades in dummy and then we don't have all that many losers any more.

[mike777]

I held this hand today and wasn't sure what to do:

 

[hv=d=w&v=b&s=saxxh109xxxxd85xcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-Dbl-(2♣)-?[/hv]

 

Your call.

4H weakish

 

would cue and then 4H with more hcp/defense

 

In other words with more hcp and defense on any of these type of hands I cue first and rebid...I blast with weakish.

 

I do this whenever partner overcalls or opens the bidding and the opp are bidding also.

1) Blast=weakish

2) Cue and rebid with good hand.

[CSGibson]

I'm waffling between 3 and 4 hearts. I don't know which is correct, but with a likely 10 card heart fit, an ace opposite my partner's presumed shortness, the likelihood that partner's red suit values are well placed, and the chance to snag a vulerable game...Heck with it, I'm a 4 heart bidder.

[CSGibson]

Pass is probably the book bid

Partner knew you'd have to come in at the two level with a 3-4-3-3 0 count. You have shape and an ace. You owe partner at least a 2 heart bid no matter what books you are reading.

[karlson]

I can't imagine why pass is the book bid. 2h looks like an underbid if anything.

 

3h looks like a mild overbid though. Probably -2 if partner has his usual junk of xx KQxx Qxx KQxx. Hopefully if partner has x AKxx Axxx xxxx, he'll muster up a raise when the opponents compete to 2s or 3c.

[P_Marlowe]

3H, the alternative being 2H.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

I'm waffling between 3 and 4 hearts.  I don't know which is correct, but with a likely 10 card heart fit, an ace opposite my partner's presumed shortness, the likelihood that partner's red suit values are well placed, and the chance to snag a vulerable game...Heck with it, I'm a 4 heart bidder.

Hi,

 

I guess, it is more likely that partner sits on

a strong hand, than that he looks at 4 hearts.

 

And the 2C bid just makes this more likely,

since 2C is played as nonforcing by most, even

if you play that a change of suit after an overcall

is forcing.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[mike777]

geez i must admit i thought this was another 4h wtp...i guess not..2h???3h??? never crossed me brain. :)

 

I really thought 100% would bid 4h ..guess not.

 

 

2c is F1 is standard I was taught. I doubt p has to xx to force one round 100%.

[mike777]

-2 if partner has his usual junk of xx KQxx Qxx KQxx.

 

 

Perhaps this is the current standard or never was but I thought this example is too weak to double one spade?

[whereagles]

4♥. With a bit of luck, pard will be listening to the action and will able to tell this is shape-based, not strength based.

[karlson]

-2 if partner has his usual junk of xx KQxx Qxx KQxx.

 

 

Perhaps this is the current standard or never was but I thought this example is too weak to double one spade?

Sure. I tried to give the worst hand possible, this is probably a submin for most people.

Besides, 4s looks pretty good with the opponents' cards on that example.

 

I have to admit I'm leaning more towards 3h.

[SoTired]

This is a textbook 4H bid.

 

When advancing a takeout dbl, a simple free bid or a single jump show values. A double (or triple) jump is preemptive. Your hand is preemptive (only 4 HCP). With a 6-card suit, you likely have a 10-card heart fit, so preempt to 4H. You might make it.

[goobers]

I thought 3H would show a good hand assuming 2C is NF.

 

I would've bid 2H and taken the push to 3.

[helene_t]

3 or 4, most likely 4.

[kfay]

I bid a confident 4♥. What is partner thinking when they hear that and are staring at this giant:

 

 

[hv=s=shqxdakq109xxcakxx]133|100|[/hv]

[helene_t]

Oops I think I would bid 5♥ but there are several options.

 

Btw I think I would have overcalled 3♠ (maybe influenced by the developments, lol) with that hand, although dbl certainly isn't wrong.

[Finch]

I bid a confident 4♥. What is partner thinking when they hear that and are staring at this giant:

 

 

[hv=s=shqxdakq109xxcakxx]133|100|[/hv]

Partner is think "I really wish I had overcalled in diamonds on the first round"

[gwnn]

that hand is much too strong for 3♠ and just strong enough for X+diamonds.

 

now I can see only two alternatives: pass (pd didnt promise the world) and 5♦, and I love my diamonds so would bid 5♦

 

btw yea my first post didnt make sense, pass is nonsense. But 4♥ is a bit too extreme for me and I still think 2♥ is best.

[ArtK78]

This is a textbook 4H bid.

 

When advancing a takeout dbl, a simple free bid or a single jump show values. A double (or triple) jump is preemptive. Your hand is preemptive (only 4 HCP). With a 6-card suit, you likely have a 10-card heart fit, so preempt to 4H. You might make it.

Not any textbook that I have ever read. 4♥ is not preemptive.

 

I would bid 2♥. And if the opponents compete, I would bid 3♥. That is an accurate assessment of my hand.

 

If partner makes any move towards game, I would accept.

[ArtK78]

I bid a confident 4♥.  What is partner thinking when they hear that and are staring at this giant:

 

 

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ [space] ♥ Qx ♦ AKQ109xx ♣ AKxx

That is why your hand is not a 4♥ bid. Partner, holding his moose, is going to bid slam (and possibly try for a grand). Of course, on a spade lead, he might actually make 6♦. But that is not the point.

 

I am not going to criticize partner's double, whether I agree with it or not. Suffice to say I have some sympathy for the double.

[jdonn]

I think 2♥ is right. You can simply treat your hand as a maximum after that. 4♥ is hyperactive - if you bid 3 and partner passed wouldn't you think you are high enough?

[pclayton]

I think 2♥ is right. You can simply treat your hand as a maximum after that. 4♥ is hyperactive - if you bid 3 and partner passed wouldn't you think you are high enough?

Yeah 4♥ is a bit too much. The black suits don't seem to match the bidding, so something seems amiss. Move things around some, and I'd try 4♥.

 

3♥ misdescribes. I'd want two more honors and one less heart.

[bid_em_up]

4♥, wtp?

[mike777]

I bid a confident 4♥.  What is partner thinking when they hear that and are staring at this giant:

 

 

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> ????? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> Unknown </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> Qx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AKQ109xx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AKxx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

I would pass 4H ...partner did not cuebid, he does not have a constructive hand. Yes I might miss slam but 4H might be down also and 5H might be down.

 

Just another example of Bergen's rule, assuming the opponents open standard one bids in first or second seat, give up on slam.