bid_em_up Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 [hv=s=sxhk7542dkj10xxxxc]133|100|IMP PairsNobody VulEast Deals (P) 1N (2S) ?[/hv] Your partner opens 1N (15-17) in second seat, and your RHO overcalls 2S (explained as "natural"). How do you plan to proceed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 There is no point to put hearts into play since we will play at least at the 5 level. 3♦ by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 There is no point to put hearts into play since we will play at least at the 5 level. 3♦ by now. Are you sure? I think its very possible I will get a chance to bid 4♥ at my next turn. The opps don't always bid 4♠. If they do, I'll try 4N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Yes, I bid 3D now and 4H if legal next round, failing that 4N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 3D, I may not bid 4H next because I like our hand for slam purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 3♥, likely to be followed by 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 2NT Lebensohl, so I can think about this one more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 2NT Lebensohl, so I can think about this one more. ummm, what kind of leb are you playing? If you force 3C, is your next bid forcing? If you choose to force 3C then bid 3S, isn't it supposed to be stayman with stop? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 This hand can make anything between 10 and 13 tricks in a red suit depending on the fit with partner and the lie of the cards. I have to admit, when I first saw this hand, my first reaction was to blast to 5 - and only 5 - diamonds. However, on second thought, since 12 tricks will be a claim opposite xxx Ax Axxx xxxx and partner did open a strong 1NT, I realized that 5♦ was a little pessimistic. On the other hand, I do not like the idea of giving my opponents a free run in the auction. Clearly, there is a lot of distribution around the table (even if partner has a balanced hand, although I suspect it is not a classic 1NT opening). I can think of nothing more descriptive than bidding 3♦ for now. It is not clear whether I will ever be able to introduce my heart suit at any level. However, for slam purposes, it is likely that diamonds will play at least as well as hearts, unless partner has very strong hearts. A direct jump to 6♦ is not unreasonable, but a grand slam cannot be ruled out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 3♥, likely to be followed by 6♦. how's that gonna help pd evaluate his red suit holdings? or we don't plan to involve him? then why not just jump to 6♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 2NT Lebensohl, so I can think about this one more. ummm, what kind of leb are you playing? If you force 3C, is your next bid forcing? If you choose to force 3C then bid 3S, isn't it supposed to be stayman with stop? Just curious. If I later bid 3♠, that's forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 3D, followed by 4H. This should show 6-5, and partner willmove on, if slam makes, at least mostof the time. If they bid 4S, I will bid 5D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Assuming you bid anything at the three level (3D or 3H or 3S), partner will bid 3N. What now? I'm a little surprised noone choose 3S (leb, stayman without stop). Wouldn't it be nice to find out if partner happens to have 4 hearts or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 3♥, likely to be followed by 6♦. how's that gonna help pd evaluate his red suit holdings? or we don't plan to involve him? then why not just jump to 6♦? Well, 3♥+6♦ is just asking pard for a preference. The hand has 5 losers and pard's expectancy is 4 cover cards, so slam is on percentage-wise. Unless pard comes up with a 3NT bid, I'll probably stick to this losing-tricks evaluation and follow-up with 6♦. If he does bid 3NT, I might devaluate and follow up with 5♦ only. This doesn't involve pard much, but this isn't the sort of hand where it's possible to be scientific so I just BWITICM (bid what I think I can make). I don't like 3♦ + some nr. of hearts because I fear that might mess-up the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Partner is free to bid a four-card heart suit over 3♦. Bidding stayman directly gives up on ever playing in hearts when partner doesn't have four, as well as forcing you to play in hearts on some hands where 6♦ is the better slam. Consider for example: AxxAxxAxKJxxx here 6♥ is easily the best slam. xxxAxxxAxxAKQ Despite the nine-card heart fit, 6♦ is a much better spot. Anyways, I'd bid 3♦ followed by 4♥. This should show 5-6 in the reds and prompt partner to make a reasonable decision about our game/slam prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I'd bid 3D followed by 4D. I'm only going to play hearts if partner introduced them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Considering the number of people I see playing transfer Lebensohl, I'm surprised that no-one has suggested 3♣ = invitational+ in diamonds. Now if partner accepts with 3NT (would s/he?), I think I'll bid 4♦, trying for the diamond slam. Partner's 3N over an invitational 3♦ should show some diamond fit, so slam is pretty likely. On this hand, it would work well for 4♥ to be natural and constructive, but I don't think I get to use one "toy" and abandon another - it would be RKC for diamonds, not what I want to bid on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 4D leaping michaels. and ill make a further move over 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 4D leaping michaels. and ill make a further move over 4H. Interesting treatment. Personally, I play 4D as a Texas transfer in this sequence. Is this not the norm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 We play transfer lebensohl. (2H)----X------(pass)-------4m 1Nt-----(2M)-----4m 1Nt------(3C)-----4D (1M)-----X------(2M)--------4m These are all leaping michaels for us. Holding a good 2 suiter we like to show both our suits as soon as possible because the risk of further preemption is higher then when holding a single suiter. QxKQJxxxxxAQx QxKQJxxxAQxxx 1Nt------(2S)--------??? The preemption risk is higher with hand 2. With hand 1 its more a level problem then a strain problems so if they are further preemption you are in a less vulnerable position. 1Nt------(2S)---------3D (H to play or GF)---------4Spass-----(pass)--------??? would a new suit be natural or a cue-bid ? Whatever you choose will give you some problems. voidAQxxxxxxxxKJx Here you would want to cue. QxKQJxxxAQxxx Here you would want to bid 5C natural. If your 2 suited hands are out of the way then all that is remaining are cue-bids and 6-4, 6-3 etc hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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