Raivis Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Remember? All red. You seat at West and hold -/AKTxx/KQxx/KQxx. North opens 2S - weak, 6+ and partner bid takout double.RHO preempt to 4 spades. Your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Remember? All red. You seat at West and hold -/AKTxx/KQxx/KQxx. North opens 2S - weak, 6+ and partner bid takout double.RHO preempt to 4 spades. Your bid? Depends a lot on my agreements. I'd like to be able to start with 4N and then rebid 5♠ after partner shows me a suit. I'm going to use whatever methods I have to focus on strain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I would drive it to 7, probably start with 5S along the way or 4N then 5S whatever. I'm going to 7 just gonna look for the right suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I would drive it to 7, probably start with 5S along the way or 4N then 5S whatever. I'm going to 7 just gonna look for the right suit. 7? You mean 8 isn't an option with this hand? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 yeah, 7 should be on. hard to see how pard dbled without the minor suit aces... I'd try 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 You actually need more than just the minor suit aces to make 7, but partner rates to have it. Since this is Board No. 13, it doesn't matter what you do. The cards will change to thwart you no matter what you choose. If you stop at 6, partner will have everthing you need to make 7 in any of 3 (or 4!) strains. If you bid 7, they will have a ruff to beat you if you are not off a natural trick. And, if you defend, they will make! So I suspect that it doesn't matter what you do, you are doomed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I'm in a Grand here unless PD somehow lacks a minor suit ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Like it whereagles thinking sequence!We think that same! Partner has both minor aces! Otherwise no values for t/o double.But one problem still. Why suit play as trump at level 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I like 6S as well. It tells partner at once that we are playing a grand, and just asks where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I agree that we want to play a grand, but finding the right suit is not easy. Whether we bid 4NT, 5S or 6S, partner is likely to bid his lowest biddable suit. So with, say, xQJxAJ10xxA10xx he's going to bid clubs which is the third best strain. For that reason I will bid 5S, because it gives him room to bid 5NT if he doesn't have a strong opinion about which suit to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I agree that we want to play a grand, but finding the right suit is not easy. Whether we bid 4NT, 5S or 6S, partner is likely to bid his lowest biddable suit. So with, say, xQJxAJ10xxA10xx he's going to bid clubs which is the third best strain. For that reason I will bid 5S, because it gives him room to bid 5NT if he doesn't have a strong opinion about which suit to bid. If that is what he has for his double, I see no reason why he can't have AQJxxAJ10xJ10xx Would anyone pass over 2♠ with that hand? Give him one spade more and one card less in one of the minors and it's still a double. Maybe not in the BBF as a problem, certainly at the table. I like 5♠, but for a different reason. With the hand above I hope he will bid 5NT to tell that ♠A is among two aces altogether. With two outside the spade suit he should bid 6♠. Maybe that is wishful thinking, but worse is a direct 6♠ that commits us to a grand even when we are off one cashing ace. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 That would be a nice agreement - 5NT as 'natural' - but I don't have it in any of my partnerships (mainly because the auction has never come up...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Roland, how is pard supposed to know he should bid 7 with the minor suit aces? This is a hand where it pays to be practical. I know it because I've managed to play cold grands in 6 several times :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 OK. 6♠ - good bid! But ..... Partner answer 6NT. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 6NT means redirect back choise of trump suit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 If that is what he has for his double, I see no reason why he can't have AQJxxAJ10xJ10xx Would anyone pass over 2♠ with that hand? Yes. It is very tempting to double 2♠ (and I suspect that well over 90% of the posters in this Forum would do so) but it is not that great a double. At best, it is bare minimum. Pass is not unreasonable. I suspect that I would double 2♠ also. But I have a bad feeling about it. If the hand were 1444 and the ♠A were a low spot and either of rounded suits were headed by the A, it would be a much better double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Mdaaa! No one immediately bid 7H? Partner shows more than only simple takeout double!Partner shows as minimum Fxx in hearts and both minor aces! 5-10 seconds i'm counted both minor aces, heart support and easy bid 7H! Only 2 pairs of 16 stop in right contract.For more players last bidding box column is a dream! 4NT, 5S (also 6S) only arguing your partner with identical minor suits. Thanks all for advantage! Takeout hand - Kx/Qxx/AJxx/AJxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 6NT means redirect back choise of trump suit! Yes, the scrambling 6N convention, comes up all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raivis Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Helen, what convention you use if part bid 6S and you have similar minor suits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dealer: LHO Vul: Both Scoring: IMPS? ♠ [space] ♥ AKTxx ♦ KQxx ♣ KQxx (2♠) _X (4♠) ?? IMO 6♠=10. 7♥=9, 5♠=8, 4N=7, 6♥=6, _X=4. Dealer: LHO Vul: Both Scoring: IMPS? ♠ [space] ♥ AKTxx ♦ KQxx ♣ KQxx (2♠) _X (4♠) 6♠(_P) 6N (_P) ??6N = You choose IMO 7♥=10. 7♣=5, 7N=2Raivis is to be congratulated on having an agreement about 6N in this sequence :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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