rbforster Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 As South, you're in last position. [hv=d=w&v=b&s=satxxxhxdxxca9xxx]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♥)-P-(2♥)-?[/hv]You've got great shape and would really like to compete, especially knowing that partner with heart length is unlikely to act. But what can you do without overpromising your (lacking) values? Comment on the vulnerability if it would effect your actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'll bid 2♠. Partner will cut me some slack when the opponents have shown a fit and I have shortness in their suit (i.e. he's looking at length). And in any case, I do have seven losers and two quick tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 2♠ promises just spades and lack of hearts. That I have, so I bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 As South, you're in last position. [hv=d=w&v=b&s=satxxxhxdxxca9xxx]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♥)-P-(2♥)-?[/hv]You've got great shape and would really like to compete, especially knowing that partner with heart length is unlikely to act. But what can you do without overpromising your (lacking) values? Comment on the vulnerability if it would effect your actions. Great question. If you play OBAR and bid 2s on anything then how can partner ever know you have a real hand. I choose to play OBAR and bid 2s...this may mean partner plays me for competitive hand not a constructive hand. With 4 spades and an invite hand pard can choose to bid 3h here, with less pass or straight 3spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 2S We might win the contract, we might beat their contract at the three level. I think that maybe this outweighs helping oppos to to bid more accurately or place the cards in the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 ummm. I don't really play "OBAR" i.e. I don't prebalance. But this just looks to me like a normal 2S bid - what's light about two aces and two 5-card suits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 2S or X, I dont know, which one Iwould choose. Most likely 2S, but I voted for X. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'm not an OBAR fan also, but 2♠ seems the normal bid. It easily can be a double game board, so i don't want to be shut off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 ummm. I don't really play "OBAR" i.e. I don't prebalance. But this just looks to me like a normal 2S bid - what's light about two aces and two 5-card suits? My thoughts as well. So what if partner bids aggressively? I have my seven-loser hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 requeriments for 2♠ on this position is having 5 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 This is an auto 2♠ for me at any vul. 5-5 in Blacks and two aces heading those reasonable long suits. It is so important to get in ♠ over the opp's ♥. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'm not an OBAR fan also, but 2♠ seems the normal bid. It easily can be a double game board, so i don't want to be shut off Agree with these sentiments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Well, that was a pretty one-sided result. I guess 2♠ can be a lot more wide-ranging in that position than I had thought. Of course this will cause problems for partner when opener raises 3♥ to him and he has to guess between 3♠ and 4♠ with no space for an invitation, but lots of good things can happen besides that so it seems 2♠ makes sense even as a light overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Well, that was a pretty one-sided result. I guess 2♠ can be a lot more wide-ranging in that position than I had thought. Of course this will cause problems for partner when opener raises 3♥ to him and he has to guess between 3♠ and 4♠ with no space for an invitation, but lots of good things can happen besides that so it seems 2♠ makes sense even as a light overcall. If you are really worried about that, then play doubles as game try in this sequence. In any case, it is matchpoints, how can we pass here when partner may pass it out with a hand where bidding 3S over 3H could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 move a small spade to hearts and maybe u get some discussion B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Well, that was a pretty one-sided result. I guess 2♠ can be a lot more wide-ranging in that position than I had thought. Of course this will cause problems for partner when opener raises 3♥ to him and he has to guess between 3♠ and 4♠ with no space for an invitation, but lots of good things can happen besides that so it seems 2♠ makes sense even as a light overcall. I think your hand evaluation is different.Along with some of the other respondants, I don't think that 2S is particularly wide-ranging here - that is, I think it is a constructive call (not "any hand with 5 spades"), but I have no problem with bidding on this hand which has a lot of playing strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Well, that was a pretty one-sided result. I guess 2♠ can be a lot more wide-ranging in that position than I had thought. Of course this will cause problems for partner when opener raises 3♥ to him and he has to guess between 3♠ and 4♠ with no space for an invitation, but lots of good things can happen besides that so it seems 2♠ makes sense even as a light overcall. If you are really worried about that, then play doubles as game try in this sequence. In any case, it is matchpoints, how can we pass here when partner may pass it out with a hand where bidding 3S over 3H could be right. Well, I admit I don't really like game-try doubles at all, so I may be biased... but I would always play partner's double as penalty in this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I don't think that 2S is particularly wide-ranging here - that is, I think it is a constructive call (not "any hand with 5 spades"), but I have no problem with bidding on this hand which has a lot of playing strength.Sure, I agree the original hand is better than just "8 HCP," but do you really have any other bid other than 2♠ on a hand like this? [hv=s=sakjxxhxxdaqxckxx]133|100|[/hv]I guess my point is just that unless people are X'ing and then bidding 3♠ with only some extras and a 5 card suit, you don't really have another call with pretty good hands and 5 spades. This means there's a pretty wide range of hands on which 2♠ is getting bid in this situation. FWIW, I also agree that partner needs a penalty double if they raise to 3♥ in front of him. Maximal doubles are nice and all, but save them for situations where we've been able to both agree on a suit B). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 If partner chooses to bid 4S after our 2S bid are we really unhappy? We don't need much for game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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