TheoKole Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 (edited) [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sj1098haxxxdq1098cx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Bidding goes (1 ♥) -> P -> (P) -> X(P) -> 1 ♠ -> (P) -> 4 ♥ (Splinter)(P) -> ??? Partner is unknown to you personally but is generally considered to be a good bidder by other people. What do you bid? Theo Let me add that partner should "know" that you can have a xxx in spades and 0 HCP's. Edited December 5, 2007 by TheoKole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 you listed all options but the one I pick, 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Absolutely clear-cut 4♠ opposite an unknown partner. The situation is extremely delicate. I would only bid (5♥, by the way) opposite a player who knows bidding is more than "show your hand". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted December 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Sorry, how can I edit the poll? Feel free to add your own answers Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 4S. 4S is lazy, or cowardly, I know, but than ... I know, I have a pretty hand, and the onlyimprovement possible would be, if the Aceof hearts, would be the Ace of another suit. If you want to make a move toward slam, Iwould simply suggest bid 4NT.You will have all suits controlled and the mainissue will be, do they have two cashing Acesor not. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 4S My hand is OK, but not IMO good enough. No high spade honour and no high diamond honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I'd rather bid 6♠ than 4♠. We've shown no values at all (haven't even promised 4 spades!) and partner has forced to game. The splinter with no room for a last train call should have a slightly better upper range than otherwise, too. I think slam is likely to have good play. Even if the ♥A is somewhat wasted if partner has a void, I'm not too worried (though this would make a case for 5♥). I'll bid 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 4♠ if I can bid it in tempo to avoid ethical issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Yes opposite a partner who forced to game opposite a 3433 yrb, 4 ♠ is really cowardly. I have a 4. trump an ace and a shortness extra, so 6 Spade is surely much better then 4 Spade. And the issue about good trumps. Do you really believe that pds 4 Spade bid is based on Qxxx,x,AKJx,AKQJ? No way. I seldom use KC with a wide open suit, but here I will. 4 NT and I will bid 6 if he has at least 3+Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 you listed all options but the one I pick, 5♣ Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Do you really believe that pds 4 Spade bid is based on Qxxx,x,AKJx,AKQJ? No way. Well, I'm pretty sure some people would splinter on that hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Partner could have bid 2H,3H but did bid 4H. So this for me = a void therefore i can bid a simple 4S. If i know partner show a stiff then i have so much extra that ill bid 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I might have jumped to 2♠ the first time. Having gone low, I now bid 5♣. If the five-level is not safe, I'm heading to the partnership desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 you listed all options but the one I pick, 5♣ ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 4NT, seems easy to me. I think 5♣ is a bit pointless, the only card I'm taking any chance on is the diamond king, which would be onside if needed anyway. Otherwise it's only keycards that matter. I won't use the fact that partner is unknown to make one of the world's biggest underbids, if he's a known overbidder maybe that's different. Edit: Pardon me I had the auction wrong, the opening is on my right not my left. Now I'd bid 5♣, then 5♥ over partner's 5♦, then leave it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I'd go on as well. I think that 2S last round is a big overbid Ken, opposite a balancing double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I'd bid RKC. Bidding 4♠ is just wrong here. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 This feels like a 30 point deck situation. I got ace-fourth of hearts opposite shortage, which mildly concerns me (with ace-third I'm more inclined to get on with it) due to the length of their holding. I have decent trumps and pard's bidding as if I don't have to have much for my call; trumps are decent, and I have a possible help suit in diamonds. So I bid 5♣ (not 4NT - I want a stop in diamonds here), and I should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted December 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sakqxxhxdakxckqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Thank you all for your replies. This is the splinter bidder's hand. As you can see, any bid other than 4 ♠ will get you to an almost cold 6 spade contract. Only possibilities of going down would be a diamond ruff on the opening lead or a club lead follow by a heart ruff, if spades are 4-0 there are some handling problems but not insurmountable. (sp?) Another small confession is that I was the one who doubled and then splintered on this hand. I actually can't remember the last time that I made this type of bid. The comments that I made in the introduction have been told to me by others. I could have also X ed, then cue-bid hearts, and then splintered I guess, but I chose not to because as I said this was with an unknown partner who may not be on the same wavelength as me. I tried to show an immediate raise, with a splinter for partner, with game points who was willing to play in 4 spades opposite xxx ♠ and 0 points (although I obviously would hope for something, even a little shape). I tried to show the bidding from my partners point of view and it seems to me that partnership trust and knowing partner's bidding style played a big part in South's decision to sign off in 4 spades. Cheers, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sakqxxhxdakxckqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] It is certainly clear that over any bid other than 4♠ you will get to slam. However, there is another issue - whether the strong hand should act again over 4♠. Slam will claim opposite the right 3433 hand - Jxx (x)xxx Qxx (T)xx replacing any of the ( ) cards with an ace. And the ♠J and ♣10 may not be needed. If responder has 4 spades, the ♦Q may not be necessary. As demonstrated by several of the posters, even with ♠JT98 and the ♥A some were not willing to bid more than 4♠. I am very tempted to bid again with the strong hand over 4♠, but I sympathize with pass. There are also potential ethical issues as alluded to in at least one of the posts. If responder takes time before bidding 4♠, the big hand may have some 'splaining to do if it acts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I cannot imagine splintering with the 4♥ hand and then passing 4♠. I have reasonable 5 level safety opposite xxxx xxx xxx xxx, and very good 5-level safety opposite the 10 of ♣s... and I doubt that any real world bidders would move over 4♥ with xxxx xxx xxx Axx, yet slam is excellent opposite that. In truth, I would never splinter, in an established partnership, with 22 high, 5 support headed by the AKQ and a LTC of 3... my god, I have a 2♣ opening bid, just made even sounder by partner bidding 1♠! I would cue to establish the force and then raise spades and hope to elicit a cue... and I don't care if it is in hearts or clubs... I'm gone to 6 in a heartbeat. Now, if I were worried that partner would pass a sequence that began double then cue then spades, I'd splinter and bid again. On the given hand, as the 1♠ bidder, I can live with either the conservative 4♠ or the aggressive 5♣... I would never keycard because I don't know enough to know whether to commit to slam opposite a 3 keycard response... AKQxx x AJx KQJx.. and surely, if we'd splinter with the monster he held, we'd splinter with this... and no prizes for guessing where the ♦ King is :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 to defend my option - which seems to be alone at this moment and probably not very well thought: probably the poll should be "you stop or you go". right now the results are 50%-50%. how exactly you go (if you decide to) seems to be a matter of taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted December 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Ok, I can understand the criticism and of course I accept it. I'm wondering though if I have the "right" to assume that partner has any Ace when he has signed off in 4 ♠. In my established partnership, I would X, cue-bid, and then splinter and trust my partner's judgement, as he also knows my bidding style which is to always assume that partner has a minimum bid when I force the bidding. In this hand his minimum is xxx, xxxx, xxx, xxx give or take a Q or J. Compared his hand to this hand and it becomes huge, my regular P would know I had a 2 club opener . I'm pretty confident that we would have bid to 6 spades on the hand. Cheers, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 On this auction partner plays me for a useful 5hcp. I have better than that plus C-single. Bw/key then 6S over 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Theo, your auction was fine. If pard trusts you, he'll definitely cooperate to slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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