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TheoKole

What do you bid?  

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  1. 1. What do you bid?

    • 4 Spades
      9
    • 4 NT
      7
    • 5 Diamonds
      1
    • 5 Hearts
      4
    • 5 Spades
      2
    • 6 Spades
      2


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[hv=d=e&v=b&s=sj1098haxxxdq1098cx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Bidding goes

 

(1 ) -> P -> (P) -> X

(P) -> 1 -> (P) -> 4 (Splinter)

(P) -> ???

 

Partner is unknown to you personally but is generally considered to be a good bidder by other people.

 

What do you bid?

 

Theo

 

Let me add that partner should "know" that you can have a xxx in spades and 0 HCP's.

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4S.

 

4S is lazy, or cowardly, I know, but than ...

 

I know, I have a pretty hand, and the only

improvement possible would be, if the Ace

of hearts, would be the Ace of another suit.

 

If you want to make a move toward slam, I

would simply suggest bid 4NT.

You will have all suits controlled and the main

issue will be, do they have two cashing Aces

or not.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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I'd rather bid 6 than 4. We've shown no values at all (haven't even promised 4 spades!) and partner has forced to game. The splinter with no room for a last train call should have a slightly better upper range than otherwise, too. I think slam is likely to have good play. Even if the A is somewhat wasted if partner has a void, I'm not too worried (though this would make a case for 5).

 

I'll bid 4NT.

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Yes opposite a partner who forced to game opposite a 3433 yrb, 4 is really cowardly. I have a 4. trump an ace and a shortness extra, so 6 Spade is surely much better then 4 Spade.

And the issue about good trumps. Do you really believe that pds 4 Spade bid is based on Qxxx,x,AKJx,AKQJ? No way.

 

I seldom use KC with a wide open suit, but here I will. 4 NT and I will bid 6 if he has at least 3+Queen.

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4NT, seems easy to me. I think 5 is a bit pointless, the only card I'm taking any chance on is the diamond king, which would be onside if needed anyway. Otherwise it's only keycards that matter. I won't use the fact that partner is unknown to make one of the world's biggest underbids, if he's a known overbidder maybe that's different.

 

Edit: Pardon me I had the auction wrong, the opening is on my right not my left. Now I'd bid 5, then 5 over partner's 5, then leave it to him.

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This feels like a 30 point deck situation.

 

I got ace-fourth of hearts opposite shortage, which mildly concerns me (with ace-third I'm more inclined to get on with it) due to the length of their holding. I have decent trumps and pard's bidding as if I don't have to have much for my call; trumps are decent, and I have a possible help suit in diamonds.

 

So I bid 5 (not 4NT - I want a stop in diamonds here), and I should be ok.

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[hv=d=e&v=b&s=sakqxxhxdakxckqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Thank you all for your replies.

 

This is the splinter bidder's hand.

 

As you can see, any bid other than 4 will get you to an almost cold 6 spade contract. Only possibilities of going down would be a diamond ruff on the opening lead or a club lead follow by a heart ruff, if spades are 4-0 there are some handling problems but not insurmountable. (sp?)

 

 

Another small confession is that I was the one who doubled and then splintered on this hand. I actually can't remember the last time that I made this type of bid. The comments that I made in the introduction have been told to me by others.

 

I could have also X ed, then cue-bid hearts, and then splintered I guess, but I chose not to because as I said this was with an unknown partner who may not be on the same wavelength as me. I tried to show an immediate raise, with a splinter for partner, with game points who was willing to play in 4 spades opposite xxx and 0 points (although I obviously would hope for something, even a little shape).

 

I tried to show the bidding from my partners point of view and it seems to me that partnership trust and knowing partner's bidding style played a big part in South's decision to sign off in 4 spades.

 

Cheers,

 

Theo

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[hv=d=e&v=b&s=sakqxxhxdakxckqjx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

It is certainly clear that over any bid other than 4 you will get to slam.

 

However, there is another issue - whether the strong hand should act again over 4. Slam will claim opposite the right 3433 hand - Jxx (x)xxx Qxx (T)xx replacing any of the ( ) cards with an ace. And the J and 10 may not be needed. If responder has 4 spades, the Q may not be necessary. As demonstrated by several of the posters, even with JT98 and the A some were not willing to bid more than 4.

 

I am very tempted to bid again with the strong hand over 4, but I sympathize with pass.

 

There are also potential ethical issues as alluded to in at least one of the posts. If responder takes time before bidding 4, the big hand may have some 'splaining to do if it acts again.

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I cannot imagine splintering with the 4 hand and then passing 4. I have reasonable 5 level safety opposite xxxx xxx xxx xxx, and very good 5-level safety opposite the 10 of s... and I doubt that any real world bidders would move over 4 with xxxx xxx xxx Axx, yet slam is excellent opposite that.

 

In truth, I would never splinter, in an established partnership, with 22 high, 5 support headed by the AKQ and a LTC of 3... my god, I have a 2 opening bid, just made even sounder by partner bidding 1!

 

I would cue to establish the force and then raise spades and hope to elicit a cue... and I don't care if it is in hearts or clubs... I'm gone to 6 in a heartbeat.

 

Now, if I were worried that partner would pass a sequence that began double then cue then spades, I'd splinter and bid again.

 

On the given hand, as the 1 bidder, I can live with either the conservative 4 or the aggressive 5... I would never keycard because I don't know enough to know whether to commit to slam opposite a 3 keycard response... AKQxx x AJx KQJx.. and surely, if we'd splinter with the monster he held, we'd splinter with this... and no prizes for guessing where the King is :P

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to defend my option - which seems to be alone at this moment and probably not very well thought: probably the poll should be "you stop or you go". right now the results are 50%-50%. how exactly you go (if you decide to) seems to be a matter of taste.
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Ok, I can understand the criticism and of course I accept it.

 

I'm wondering though if I have the "right" to assume that partner has any Ace when he has signed off in 4 .

 

In my established partnership, I would X, cue-bid, and then splinter and trust my partner's judgement, as he also knows my bidding style which is to always assume that partner has a minimum bid when I force the bidding.

 

In this hand his minimum is xxx, xxxx, xxx, xxx give or take a Q or J.

 

Compared his hand to this hand and it becomes huge, my regular P would know I had a 2 club opener .

 

I'm pretty confident that we would have bid to 6 spades on the hand.

 

Cheers,

 

Theo

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