Fluffy Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 ♠AKJ♥9752♦QJ♣J973 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Playing a 15 - 17 NT this hand is between "Pass" and "Really pass" and is NOT an opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Hi, I would open it, but I am slowlylearning to pass this type of hands. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 As always, the answer is completely dependent on system If I am playing Regres this is a clear opening.If I am playing Roth Stone, its a clear pass. Personally, I'd pass this playing most systems. Given a choice between an 11+ - 14 HCP 1N opening and pass, I prefer pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Clear pass, this is nowhere near a 12-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 It's a mini NT.Playing some form of limited (say, 9-14) opening system it's an opening. But in any standard system it's a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Cear pass in a normal strong NT system.Clear mini NT.Clear opening for HCP counters. But we aren´t counters, are we?Maybe a weak NT (11-14), depending on the form of scoring and the opps. I think against our average field in a life mp tourney I had surely opened it nonvul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Are the openers really this shy? I see it's 10-8 in their favor! I don't open all 12 counts so this is a very very clear pass. Would open it with a 12-14 or even 15 1NT though. I suspect Harald would open it though, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 My rule of thumb on a hand such as this is....that if you look at any hand and "have" to ask yourself: "Is this an opening?" then it isn't. Some people will open these sort of hands in any position, I do not. Of course, its a 3rd/4th seat opening, the presumption is you are referring to 1st/2nd seats. jmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 IF you open all balanced 11 hcp hands with one quick trick, then easy yes. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 ♠AKJ♥9752♦QJ♣J973 Clear 1NT opening 1st or 2nd seat playing 12-15 NTs. I like the pre-emptive effect. I'd be very tempted to pass this 3rd seat and hope for a throw-in. SAYC...depends on my opponents. Against unknown opponents in a pairs game, I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 ♠AKJ♥9752♦QJ♣J973 Clear 1NT opening 1st or 2nd seat playing 12-15 NTs. I like the pre-emptive effect. I'd be very tempted to pass this 3rd seat and hope for a throw-in. SAYC...depends on my opponents. Against unknown opponents in a pairs game, I'd pass. You must be kidding. This is not a 12 count. I would open a 10-12 NT on these cards, but I have not decided whether I would accept an invite to game. I would not open this hand in any seat playing Standard. The only suit worth mentioning is spades, and I am not going to open 1♠ on a three card suit. [i played with a partner who did that once. I raised on 3 card support. We wound up doubling out the opponents in a heart partial. Each of the opponents assumed his partner was short in spades.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Of course, its a 3rd/4th seat opening, the presumption is you are referring to 1st/2nd seats. jmoo. It's no more a 3rd seat opening than it is a 1st/2nd seat opening. Opening light in third seat is (should be!) best done for lead directional reasons, (that's why many people switch to 4-card majors in 3rd seat, so you can open 1S on AKJx Kxx xxx Jxx). There's really no point at all in opening random balanced rubbish opposite a passed hand. 4th seat is a difficult problem. At IMPS I would still pass, as my expectation is negative. At club matchpoints I have painfully learnt never, ever to pass a hand out in 4th seat, I always get a bad result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 1NT (12-14) but not if partner has passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Pass in ALL seats typically. I might be persuaded to open a 12-14 NT in 1st at green, but thats about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 You must be kidding. This is not a 12 count. If partner has junk without a suit, we pre-empted the opponents. Good.I partner has junk with a suit, I've got lots of support for any suit. Good.If partner bids Stayman, I have a positive response. Good.If partner bids game, I think my 12 count will be a 12 count. My queens and jacks will likely slot into his points, and you can't knock an AKJ.If partner X's based on my points, I've got an AK combo with two chances for another defensive trick. That's all he should expect. So what am I afraid of? My annual -1100? Comes once a year, and doesn't seem to depend on how strong my hand is. 3rd hand, the risks go up. I'll pass, or I should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 IF you open all balanced 11 hcp hands with one quick trick, then easy yes. :) If you open all balanced 5+ counts with the five of hearts, then easy opening yes :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Of course, its a 3rd/4th seat opening, the presumption is you are referring to 1st/2nd seats. jmoo. It's no more a 3rd seat opening than it is a 1st/2nd seat opening. Opening light in third seat is (should be!) best done for lead directional reasons, (that's why many people switch to 4-card majors in 3rd seat, so you can open 1S on AKJx Kxx xxx Jxx). There's really no point at all in opening random balanced rubbish opposite a passed hand.. I had presumed that the 3rd seat opening he had in mind was 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 You must be kidding. This is not a 12 count. If partner has junk without a suit, we pre-empted the opponents. Good.I partner has junk with a suit, I've got lots of support for any suit. Good.If partner bids Stayman, I have a positive response. Good.If partner bids game, I think my 12 count will be a 12 count. My queens and jacks will likely slot into his points, and you can't knock an AKJ.If partner X's based on my points, I've got an AK combo with two chances for another defensive trick. That's all he should expect. So what am I afraid of? My annual -1100? Comes once a year, and doesn't seem to depend on how strong my hand is. 3rd hand, the risks go up. I'll pass, or I should. Many options but you will need a lot more of work for mentioning what will happen if you open or not :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 If partner bids game, I think my 12 count will be a 12 count. My queens and jacks will likely slot into his points, and you can't knock an AKJ.If partner X's based on my points, I've got an AK combo with two chances for another defensive trick. That's all he should expect. This really is where the disagreement comes. The passers think this hand does not have the playing/defensive strength that a 'normal' or 'standard' 12-count opening bid should promise. I note the vote is very close, but I don't actually know if the bidders are voting to open because - they believe this hand is worth a 12-count (as you state you do)- or because they have a different standard for opening bids (as Mike777 seems to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Of course, its a 3rd/4th seat opening, the presumption is you are referring to 1st/2nd seats. jmoo. It's no more a 3rd seat opening than it is a 1st/2nd seat opening. Opening light in third seat is (should be!) best done for lead directional reasons, (that's why many people switch to 4-card majors in 3rd seat, so you can open 1S on AKJx Kxx xxx Jxx). There's really no point at all in opening random balanced rubbish opposite a passed hand. 4th seat is a difficult problem. At IMPS I would still pass, as my expectation is negative. At club matchpoints I have painfully learnt never, ever to pass a hand out in 4th seat, I always get a bad result. Sorry, I disagree. Of course, I tend to play sound openings in 1st or 2nd seats, so this hand is an automatic opening in 3rd/4th to protect our partscores, which has something to do with that statement. But...if you (or your partner) wont open this hand in 1st/2nd, and your partner (or you) won't open it in 3rd/4th, how many hands do you pass out? Where you should have been plus on the board? I'm just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I'd open it. Just 'cos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Even with a 10-13 NT at white, and as aggressive as I am opening 4cM, I pass. This hand is a hand I want to table and not open. I'd expect on K&R to be maybe 9.25 to 9.5 playing points tops, and that's being generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 When I open in 3rd seat, there's a purpose to the call, other than to demonstrate I'm a macho mo-fo. I look to finding a decent partial or getting partner off to the right lead. Opening seems to do neither. OTOH, bidding might get the opponents into the auction easily and may have a vulnerable 4♥. Does bidding make it more or less likely they will bid the game? I think the answer is no, but I guarantee the hand will be easier for them to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Easy opening of 1♣. I have no rebid problems.I have three controls and two quick-tricks.My club suit is real.I have a four-card major.I have three really good spades, the other major.1♣ is just enough lower than 1♦ that partner has more space to bid balanced hands (1NT as a response to 1♣ is stronger than 1NT after 1♦, such that partner will not bid 2NT too much). Plus, partner expects me to open this type of hand for these reasons (critical point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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