We talked about this kinda thing before

[han]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sajxxhqxxdakqxc10x]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(4H)-5C-(p) - ?[/hv]

 

What's your call?

[the hog]

"We talked about this kinda thing before"

Yes, I know. Still I am bidding 6C.

[han]

"We talked about this kinda thing before"

Yes, I know.

I didn't mean to suggest that I know the right answer, otherwise I wouldn't post it.

[the hog]

"We talked about this kinda thing before"

Yes, I know.

I didn't mean to suggest that I know the right answer, otherwise I wouldn't post it.

No I didn't mean that either. What I meant was that some will bid 6 and say wtp and others will pass and say wtp. I am in the 6 camp.

[jdonn]

Everyone has their cutoff somewhere. In fact I say this is very close (the 5 level is way different than the 4 level.) Pass for me. My rule is I don't bid slam on these unless I would be very surprised to see it go down, and here I wouldn't be.

[benlessard]

No I didn't mean that either. What I meant was that some will bid 6 and say wtp and others will pass and say wtp. I am in the 6 camp.

 

Those who pass and say wtp. Should stay away from IMPs.

[Codo]

5 1/2 clubs wtp?

 

I bid 6, this had be wrong so often, it most be successful sometimes.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

6C.

 

Given my 3 Hearts, partner will surely

have a Singelton at most, and Chances

are great that he has the Ace of Clubs,

i.e. 6C will have play most of the time,

and be quite often cold.

 

And maybe the Opening leader is looking

at an void in Hearts.

 

Change the Heart holding, remove an X

putting it into Spades or Diamonds, and

I would most likely pass.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[skjaeran]

I agree with Josh that this is very close. I'm not giving my partner just as much leeway for a 5♣ overcall as I do with a 4♠ overcall (or a 4M opening). I'm in the 6♣ camp.

[helene_t]

6♣

[whereagles]

6♣ and I don't think it's close. For heaven's sake, it have a totally unexpected MONSTER. More worried of missing 7 than going down in 6.

[benlessard]

Change the Heart holding, remove an X

putting it into Spades or Diamonds, and

I would most likely pass.

 

I agree with Josh that this is very close. I'm not giving my partner just as much leeway for a 5♣ overcall as I do with a 4♠ overcall (or a 4M opening). I'm in the 6♣ camp.

 

Its IMPs, to even think about passing is 100% nonsense.

 

Ill make 7 much more often then ill go down in 6.

[gwnn]

6♣, hoping clubs make an even number of tricks :)

[MickyB]

Yup, bidding feels right. As others have said, a bid at the five-level is quite different from one at the four-level.

[Halo]

6C

 

I feel I have to, but I don't feel particularly confident. I wouldn't think partner owed me much if he had AK to seven and King of hearts.

[jtfanclub]

Those who pass and say wtp. Should stay away from IMPs.

I don't understand the logic of this....

 

If 5 clubs makes exactly, and 6 clubs goes down 1, you gain 450 points by stopping.

If 6 clubs makes, you gain 500 points by bidding.

 

Why does the method of scoring matter?

[jdonn]

I'm not saying bidding slam is wrong (I still think it's very close either way.) But it's easy to be enamored with how good our hand is and and be distracted from how terrible our holdings in hearts and clubs are. I would sooner bid 7 with Axxxx x Axxxx Jx than 6 with the current hand. To see why, wait for the singleton heart lead when partner has KQx x xx AKQxxxx (I know that doesn't make 7 opposite my example. That is not my point...)

 

Maybe bidding 6 is right anyway, I won't get into an argument about it since I don't feel that strongly. But with such terrible breaks, it's not as trivial as some posters indicate.

[han]

Partner had xx - J10xx AKQJxxx, 6 is laydown.

[MickyB]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sajxxhqxxdakqxc10x]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(4H)-5C-(p) - ?[/hv]

 

What's your call?

Clear 7♦ bid.

[pclayton]

The deciding factor for me is the third heart. If hearts are eight long in lefty (likely) bidding 6 only loses if hearts are 1-1 and pard doesnt have the Ace AND has non-solid trumps.

 

I'll gamble my 4-5 winners cover pards or we have a squeeze.

[whereagles]

Partner had xx - J10xx AKQJxxx, 6 is laydown.

7♦ makes or goes down on bad breaks? Pretty unbiddable, anyway.

[neilkaz]

6♣ for me, expecting it to be a favorite here, but this is close.

[cherdano]

The deciding factor for me is the third heart. If hearts are eight long in lefty (likely) bidding 6 only loses if hearts are 1-1 and pard doesnt have the Ace AND has non-solid trumps.

 

I'll gamble my 4-5 winners cover pards or we have a squeeze.

I agree with bidding 6♣, but I don't think it is likely that LHO has 8 hearts. There are many hands with 7 hearts where we would get a majority vote for 4♥ (1st seat all white) on BBF. Given that we have 3 hearts, these are even more likely than usual. I would make it roughly even odds between 7 and 8 hearts.

[benlessard]

If 5 clubs makes exactly, and 6 clubs goes down 1, you gain 450 points by stopping.

If 6 clubs makes, you gain 500 points by bidding.

 

The difference is that in Imps your partner will not bid 5C for a save . Hes not hoping for down 2 hes not hoping for down 1 hes hoping to make it. Not always of course but at least some amount of the time he wanted the contract to cash in.

 

 

The same for bidding 4S red over 4H all RED. In MP down 2 is probably going to be a good result so it might make sense to bid 4S with no hope of making it. But in IMPs its would be foolish to concede 500 when they might go down in 4H. So a 4S here (like a 5C in the problem) show at least some slight hope of making it.