Aberlour10 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I get quite often in troubles after such opening playing in polish tournaments vs polish club partnerships. Do you know useful defence against it? links? infos? Thanks :) Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 A funny one is: dbl = the other 2 suits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Hi, First this is certainly not a B/I theme. Second, I would suggest, that you play thesame defence as against Multi.May not be perfect, but ... We play X = bal. 12-14 or +18direct suit overcalls are limited to 15delayed overcalls after pass are 15-172NT is nat. 15-17, no stopper for a specific suit needed (this is of course different to2D multi, a direct 2NT promises stoppersin both mayors)If partner overcalls in a mayor, treat the othermayor as their suit.If I remember it correct Wikosz 2D promises a 2-suiter with at least one mayor. I have encountered Wilkosz 2D only once,so I cant really say the above suggestionwill work, but ... With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I usually play something like... X= takeout, including both minors and hands with over 17 hcp2M= natural and constrstuctive but not forcing (up to about 18 hcp)2NT= 15-17 hcp balanced3m= Natural and up to about 15 hcp Pass then....X= Penalty oriented, always with a 'runout' suit. For example, after 2♦-P-2♥-P-P, I X with... xKJTxAJTxxATx Switching around any of the suits besides hearts. Partner can leave it in, or run with a total bust. Pass then 2NT over 2♠ or 2♠ over 2♥ is a 4 cards in the other major and usually 11-14 hcp. This has the advantage of being natural, and using pass-then-X as penalty. Dunno who else uses it, can't even remember where I learned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I used to play a nuts defense to this where all doubles were cardshowing showing that suit bid, regardless of nature of the call. These days, Multi defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelred Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 How about: double = takeout of diamonds (includes monster hands), pass then double = takeout of the last bid suit, the rest natural? It may not be optimal, but looks pretty straightforward. And after all, you need some expectance of a fit to want to compete (or tons of high cards to play game on strength). As a side note, probably you should err on the side of caution, even if you play quite aggresively otherwise. Wilkosz is a 55 two-suiter, so foul distributions are very much alike ... Aelred P.S. Whether forementioned takeout doubles might or might not contain (un)equal level conversion type hands is worth a discussion of itself. But this is the beginner/intermediate thread after all ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 I suggest this theme to be moved to non-natural systems or something. Whatever the defense you apply, let me say that it is usually not a good idea to look for 4 - 4 fits after this opening bid. Rather be conservative about your suit contracts and try for 3NT a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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