jugarul Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sk84h63djt3cak542]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] PAS - (pas) - 1NT - (2♥) -?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I see these possibilities: 1. If you play lebensohl and slow shows, bid 3 NT. This shows a hand with enough stuff for 3 NT but no stopper. 2. If you don´t play lebensohl, try 3 ♥ and hope that this asks for a stopper. 3. If you have no other bid, try 3 NT and pray. 4. There is no 4. choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Umm.... I see two possibilities: i) If you play double as take-out, doubleii) Otherwise, bid 3C natural and forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I wouldn't take-out double or show the ♣ suit. I'd just ask for a stopper in whatever methods you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Umm.... I see two possibilities: i) If you play double as take-out, doubleii) Otherwise, bid 3C natural and forcing. What she said. Regarding i), if your negative double promises four spades, use option ii). For me a negative double just shows cards, a hand that has values for a raise to at least 2NT. An option iii) is 2NT as showing clubs (Rubensohl or Rumpelsohl) followed by 3♥ as stopper asking. The trouble with ii) and iii) is that you can't penalise 2♥ if that is what partner thinks is best. Could well be at this vulnerability and that is why a double would be my first choice. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 If you can ask for a stopper, do it. Otherwise just bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 If you can ask for a stopper, do it. Otherwise just bid 3NT. I wouldn't take-out double or show the ♣ suit. I'd just ask for a stopper in whatever methods you use I really don't get this.You are a passed hand, so partner will never get too exited and think you are looking for slam. What is the downside from showing the club suit? - they might not lead a club from, say, a 2614 hand. To me that risk is so small as to be ignorable- your LHO is able to bid hearts at the 3-level. yes, that's a risk - but if LHO has a heart raise, isn't it quite likely we don't want to play in 3NT anyway? The biggest risk is that they find a save in 4H, but with us at favourable that's less of an issue. What is the benefit of showing the club suit?- You get to play in a contract other than 3NT. Perhaps partner has AQJx Qx Axx Qxx. Or Ax Axx KQ9xxx Qx. Or (if possible for your methods) QJ10xx Axx AKx Jx. And if partner has a double heart stop, he's perfectly allowed to bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Frances, minors are for kids :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'd make a forcing ♣ bid - whatever would show that. This enables us to get to our best game. That might be 3NT, 5♣ or even 4♠. There's absolutely no reason to hog the hand at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Frances, minors are for kids :rolleyes: I'd say it's the other way around. Kids play majors or NT, whereas mature players consider minors when that is correct. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP ♠ K84 ♥ 63 ♦ JT3 ♣ AK542 PAS - (pas) - 1NT - (2♥) -?? I assume you play Lebensohl so:Bid 3c game force and natural or just bid 3nt.....this problem is very common and comes up all the time. Who needs stinking stoppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Bid 3♣ forcing. If partner cannot bid 3NT over 3♣, you probably do not belong in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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