bridgeboy Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 ♣[hv=d=s&v=n&n=saqj10hxxxdaj10xcqx&s=sxxhakj9dkxxc7xxx]133|200|Scoring: IMPBidding: 1♣ 1♠ 1 NT 3NT West leads a small D and dummy's 10 hold the trick. What would be your line? [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 The clever among us lead a low ♣ from dummy to give the idea that we want to set up ♣'s, but this isn't the hand for that. Right seems to be low ♦ to king and ♠ hook, low ♥ to ACE and ♠ hook. now try ♠ACE, if king doesn't fall, try [HE[King, if queen doesn't fall, take ♦ hook. Make 9 tricks if ♠King and [DI[Q onside, or if ♠Kxx onside, or if ♥Qx ofside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charis Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 I may be reading too much into the bidding and opening lead, but... Given the emphasis on finding a major fit and no one mentioning hearts, E-W is likely to have a fit there. Yet he didn't lead a heart. Also, if he had AK Clubs, or ace and long clubs, he would likely have lead from that despite the 1C opening call. If everything is onside then you can win any way you like. East has the club length and will know that leading them will win, so I don't fancy taking the spade finesse. With K offside and west dangerous, I need to take all 4 hearts. If east has AK C and K S, he can't have any more pts, meaning I expect W to have QD, QH, JC. I'll try cashing A-K of Hearts, then if Queen falls doubleton I have finesse over the 10 and will succeed. If it doesn't fall, now I go back and try spade finesse. This may not be the highest overall % chance but fits my mental picture of the bid and lead best. (Am I going TOO far in the inference department here?) Charis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 H to Ace, S hook, H to K, S hook, A of S, (no King?), D to K, D hook. Hopefully claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 I may be reading too much into the bidding and opening lead, but... Given the emphasis on finding a major fit and no one mentioning hearts, E-W is likely to have a fit there. Yet he didn't lead a heart. Also, if he had AK Clubs, or ace and long clubs, he would likely have lead from that despite the 1C opening call. If everything is onside then you can win any way you like. East has the club length and will know that leading them will win, so I don't fancy taking the spade finesse. With K offside and west dangerous, I need to take all 4 hearts. If east has AK C and K S, he can't have any more pts, meaning I expect W to have QD, QH, JC. I'll try cashing A-K of Hearts, then if Queen falls doubleton I have finesse over the 10 and will succeed. If it doesn't fall, now I go back and try spade finesse. This may not be the highest overall % chance but fits my mental picture of the bid and lead best. (Am I going TOO far in the inference department here?) Charis ♥AK first, suffers from a big problem if the ♠ and ♦ hook are both on, you don't have enough entries now to hook ♠ twice and ♦ another time. Against that, if you do drop the doubleton ♥Q offside, you only have to quess to repeat the ♦ hook or to play for the ♠ hook... but let me give you a hand for WEST... [hv=s=skxxhqtxdqxxckjxx]133|100|[/hv] What would you play when south cashes the ♥AK? You can know about the ♦K, you have seen the ♥AK. In addition, your line, using up two ♥ entries before playing on ♠ looks like a person trying for the ♥Q drop before trying the ♠ hook, so he can "see" your ♥J as well. If you you had the ♣ACE too, that would be 15 hcp. So the hand is double dummy now, west can see 4♠ (with two hook)+4♦+2♥ for declarer as sure as the world. Would you not drop the ♥Q as a deadly false card. I certainly would. Some times when a finessee wins or an honor drops offside, it doesn't mean what you think it does. You have to watch for the tricky opponent, expecially when the hand becomes double dummy. West could have several other hands, QTxx in ♥ being one of them with one or two leess ♣ (and another ♦.). This is just to show that sometimes when a "hook" wins or a "drop" works, it will not mean what you think it does when you play against good defenders. They will try to talk (push?) you out of the winning line and into a losing one. The really hot defense is when WEST plays ♥Q from ♥QTx from 3-3-3-4 with the ♠Kxx and and EAST held up with ♦Qxx on trick one.... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Diamond to the K and spade finesse. It may be crucial NOT to play a heart to hand in order to take the spade finesse because if the spade finesse loses then East will realize that we have good hearts because nobody would play a heart to the ace with AJx or Axx or AQx. So he will be forced to shift to clubs.If we play a diamond to the K and the spade finesse loses east has a guess between crossing hearts or playing clubs, given that we opened 1 club he will probably play a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgeboy Posted February 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 I guess from the poll, everyone goes for the legitimate S finesse with some extra chance. At the table, East has a hand like: [hv=s=skxxhq10xxxxdxckjx]133|100|[/hv] So, if you take the Spade finesse, he will hold up the K, then you when you cross over with a H to finesse again, it doesn't really take a genius to switch to a club now. It was suggested that better play would be to lead Spades off dummy. even if S King is with West, it is difficult to switch to a club , especially on the bidding. This arguement sounds plausible, I am interested to know, how much chance would the experts be willing to give up and rely on a likely defensive mistake? (Giving up the legitimate Spade finesse and hope West do not find the killing switch) A side pt: which H is better to from hand when you come back for the second S finesse to conceal your High cards as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 This arguement sounds plausible, I am interested to know, how much chance would the experts be willing to give up and rely on a likely defensive mistake? (Giving up the legitimate Spade finesse and hope West do not find the killing switch) A side pt: which H is better to from hand when you come back for the second S finesse to conceal your High cards as much as possible. A couple of issues on the playing for the defense mistake. Here, i think against half-way competent defense, you really have no shot at all. When you lead a low ♠ from dummy, the defenders will forget all about count signal in the ♠ suit and give suit preference. So on the given hand, when EAST wins the ♠ King, WEST will be playing a low ♠ if for no other reason than to deny interest in ♥s. And remove the ♠King from EAST's hand, he will be playing a low ♠ to encourage a ♣ (given his ♣KJ behind the ♣Q. Against your garden variety defender and split ♣ honors, maybe a low ♠ will work, but also, maybe one of them is looking at the ♣AK(x's) and will find the right defense. My general rule is if there is a reasonable line of play for the contract, to go for that as opposed to a defensive mistake. Now, don't make it easy for them. Don't play low ♥ to king and take the ♠hook. EAST will surely return a ♣ from any holding then. Start with ♦ to king, then ♠hook. If this wins, then ♥ to ACE to repeat the hook (again, not to the king). This is standard carding to not disclose where your stregnth lies, and Luis discussed this nicely in his post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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