Automatic Posting of CCs

[candybar]

All of a sudden, the software is telling me that it's "found" convention cards for people I'm playing with. I DO NOT want this!

 

I use several different CCs with the same partner, depending on the situation, tournament, etc., and I certainly don't want the software to post one and have it be wrong.

 

And I certainly don't want to keep trying to erase it when that happens.

 

How do I turn this OFF? I want to specify that no CC is posted unless I do it.

 

Thanks.

[fred]

Hi Candy,

 

Sorry you don't like this new feature.

 

In theory a convention card is only "found" (ie automatically registered) if you are playing in a partnership that has registered that convention card in the past.

 

In theory that is supposed to be a good thing: the presumption is a given partnership will want to use the same convention card in a given session that they played in their most recent past session. If so then surely it is a convenience for them if this is handled automatically.

 

Do you disagree with this? If yes, I would like to hear your reasons - we really thought this would make the BBO experience better for our members, but we have misjudged before...

 

Or are you suggesting that the software is "finding" convention cards for partnerships of yours when that partnership never previously registered a convention card?

 

If yes, I understand how that could be disconcerting. It is not how the software is supposed to work and very likely it is something we can fix without too much trouble. If this is what is going on and you can provide anything more in the way of details (such as which partner(s) of yours this has happened with) it will make our lives easier.

 

Thanks,

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[uday]

Hi Candybar

 

When you either

 

1. Register for a tourney

or

2. Sit at a table when partner is already sitting

 

 

the software automatically sets the CC to the last CC you used with this P.

 

 

From your POV, I think the best thing to do is the same thing you always did.

 

Ignore the automatically assigned "last-cc-used" and set the CC as usual after sitting, or after registering for a tourney.

 

If enough people want it, I'll supply a way to disable this on a player-by-player basis.

 

Uday

[bid_em_up]

Just to register my vote, I like the automatic setting of the last CC you used with any given partner. I have several people I play with, each CC is slightly different, but always the same with each partner.

 

Thanks for doing this. It saves me the trouble of having to set the CC each time.

[glen]

I love this new feature

[bid_em_up]

Or are you suggesting that the software is "finding" convention cards for partnerships of yours when that partnership never previously registered a convention card?

 

If yes, I understand how that could be disconcerting. It is not how the software is supposed to work and very likely it is something we can fix without too much trouble. If this is what is going on and you can provide anything more in the way of details (such as which partner(s) of yours this has happened with) it will make our lives easier.

 

Thanks,

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

Fred,

 

Only candybar can answer this factually, but the way I interpret the post is that they have multiple CC's with the same partner.

 

One might be used for IMP play, another for MP play, and a third for main room play, just to give a few examples.

 

So when they register for a IMP tournament, the software might register either the MP CC or the Main Room CC, or the IMP CC, depending upon what scenario they last set a CC under.

 

While I agree this could be "slightly" annoying, they were already having to set the CC each time anyway, and there is no reason they cannot continue to do the exact same thing as before. jmoo.

 

For those of us who normally use the same CC with the same partner, the majority of the time, this feature is simply fantastic.

 

My only "concern" is which partner's computer is the CC selected from? Or is BBO grabbing the CC and storing it on one of its servers in order to be able to set it later. Where I am going with this is...what if my CC is slightly different from my partners for whatever reason, but I am normally the one who sets it, or what happens if I make changes to the CC between the time BBO "grabs" the CC for retention and that partner and I then play again?

[uday]

When you use a convention card with a partner, BBO now grabs a copy and saves it for later reuse.

 

Changes made to your CC on your PC are not picked up until the changed CC is used again.

 

So, if you change your CC, "use" it again at a table (or just after registering for a tourney) and we'll have the latest version.

[Mr. Dodgy]

Does this apply to both FD and 'old style' CCs?

 

I think it would have been nice for this new feature to have been somehow advertised, either via the news popup or here on the forums (forgive me if it was, I rarely read the news popup, but I think it would be good to have some easily accessible link, like the help button, to a webpage with a news archive). It confused me when I first encountered it, it will likely perplex others as well.

 

Nevertheless, I like it, now that I know what is going on.

[uday]

yes, it applies to all styles of CCs.

[candybar]

In my case, I use one CC with a given partner for ACBL tournaments, where we are not allowed to use multi 2D, and another with him for other tournaments. When we want to try out a new agreement, I make another CC rather than change an existing one. This situation currently happens with 3 different partners of mine, and with one of them, it changes depending on IMPs or MPs.

 

Now, whatever CC we most recently used is the one that pops up even when we sit down at a club table. At tables and in team matches (like most people) I rarely post a CC, as most opps look at profiles or simply ask.

 

With the new change, I can't stop the auto-posting of some CC every time I play with one of these partners, and it's often not the one I would want. I certainly don't want to play a tournament using a multi 2D CC, then join an ACBL tourney and suddenly discover I have multi 2D on my posted CC.

 

Fred, I have only seen this with partners where I have posted a CC in some tournament. It's disconcerting primarily because sometimes it's the wrong CC, and other times because I don't want a CC posted at all.

 

Uday, I have been doing as you suggest, and changing it every time (either to the CC I want or resetting it to blank), but it's annoying enough to me that I came here to post. I would like to be able to turn that option off.

 

Thanks for listening,

C.

[glen]

...I certainly don't want to play a tournament using a multi 2D CC, then join an ACBL tourney and suddenly discover I have multi 2D on my posted CC. ...

For ACBL tourneys:

 

Before feature:

- if you didn't post a cc you got sayc cc

- you posted a cc to get correct one

 

After feature:

- if you don't post a cc you get last-used cc

- you post a cc to get correct one if last-used not correct

 

So before this feature, if you didn't post a cc, you, or your opponents, would "suddenly discover" that you have a misleading sayc cc posted. Are you suggesting that the misleading sayc cc would be better for the opponents than the misleading multi 2D one?

[A2003]

I use full disclosure convention card.

In the tournament, I post both types of CC 1) old style Convention card and 2) full disclosure convention card. So, they can see either one.

This is because some opponents don't look beyond the old style Convention card.

I get questions in the tournament regularly that CC is not posted.

The program post CC only one type what ever was used last one.

I am unable to post both types.

Reason is that every one is still not familiar with Full disclosure convention card.

During the tournament, the opponents tells me that I have not posted one CC, because they are looking at the old style CC. It is blank.

When I post the old style CC, Full Disclosure convention card is cleared.

But I want to use the Full Disclosure convention card.

I have 20 different versions of FD that I constantly change everyday and monitor thru the latest revision date.

Is BBO saving all 20 versions (for example) and using the latest one that I used with my same partner.

Is it possible to change on-line full disclosure CC?

Software feature may be added at "Other Bridge activities"

Preparation of Full disclosure CC

So, the partners can assign bidding and meaning of a bid and build a FUll Disclosure CC at their pace. save it at their computer or BBO server and use it.

It will be a slow process, may be in a year or two, worth it for a long term game development.

[fred]

Thanks for clarifying, Candybar, and thanks to everyone else for their feedback.

 

I would definitely be interested in hearing more opinions, but Uday and I (ie the entire BBO programming staff) are currently at a tournament that last until early December and it is unlikely that we will be able to make any changes in this area during this time.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[nickf]

I like the new feature too, if only that it saves me about 10 mouseclicks every time I play a tourney, which is almost always with the same partner.

 

What might also be good, and another post a week ago made this suggestion is that at the beginning of each round, a summary of the system is announced, perhaps in the chat window. FD has a system summary field and I wonder if this data could be used.

 

nickf

sydney