Two part question

[hrothgar]

With the hand Han posted here I will pass. I will likely also pass the hand Jason Hackett and Gunnar Hallberg had on vugraph. Jason did, Hallberg opened 2♠.

 

Roland

...and the 2S opening was not a success

(or at least, his subsequent actions led to it not being a success!)

What was the systemic meaning of 2♠?

[mike777]

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

 

It goes

 

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S

(5C) - ??

 

Your call?

PASS over 5c.

 

My goal when I opened 2s was to make them guess not steal the hand.

[gwnn]

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

 

It goes

 

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S

(5C) - ??

 

Your call?

pass... pd is boss of the auction, etc etc etc. :) I don't abstain cause I can imagine myself bidding 2♠ :)

[kenrexford]

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

 

It goes

 

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S

(5C) - ??

 

Your call?

Having opened 2♠, I think I double 5♣. However, I play this double as optional (torn between defending and bidding 5♠).

[dicklont]

Pass. Maybe they are too low, too high or in the wrong strain. Nobody knows. I hope something good has already happened.

[mikeh]

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

 

It goes

 

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S

(5C) - ??

 

Your call?

I cannot imagine bidding. Yes, it may be right. But I forfeited my right to bid, here, when I opened 2♠....not right away, but definitely over partner's virtually unlimited (could be weak, could be strong) 4♠. He knows what he's got, and the only time it's wrong to pass is when he specifically has a great heart holding. Are we betting the farm on that? Not me.

[Guest Jlall]

I pass 5C. I do not think this is enough extra offense (not that much at all) or extra defense to double. We are red/white.

[kenrexford]

I pass 5C. I do not think this is enough extra offense (not that much at all) or extra defense to double. We are red/white.

Oh yeah. Missed the colors the second time around. Red on white, I think you have to pass.

[Finch]

I wouldn't have opened 2S, but I think once you have made your bed, you have to lie on it. Thus I pass 5C.

[Finch]

With the hand Han posted here I will pass. I will likely also pass the hand Jason Hackett and Gunnar Hallberg had on vugraph. Jason did, Hallberg opened 2♠.

 

Roland

...and the 2S opening was not a success

(or at least, his subsequent actions led to it not being a success!)

What was the systemic meaning of 2♠?

Sound weak 2 (he had another way of showing a poor weak 2).

[whereagles]

Hum.. like Ben says, this looks like a ZAR 1♠ opener.. lol.

 

Anyway, I can live with 2♠. Having bid that, I'll take the liberty to bid 5♠ now. Too much playing strength to let them play 5♣.

 

Yeah, I know I'll have some explaning to do if this goes wrong, but I think 5♠ is right, so I believe I won't have to explain anything... lol. With a bit of luck pard, who is dummy, won't even notice I have a 65. HA!

[han]

I opened 2S and when 5C came back to me I did think that I had much more offense than is usual so I bid 5S. I don't know how my partner at the time would interpret a double, I think I like that better. I asked a good player afterwards, he said he would certainly pass initially but having opened 2S he would bid 5H next to give partner an idea of what to do over 6C.

 

I expected more support for both of my actions so it has been a very interesting thread to me.

 

We won 13 IMPs on the hand, we played 5SX making, the other table was in 5C by my teammates after the woman holding my hand passed initially. I do not intend that as evidence suggesting that my choices were right, only as side information for those who are interested.

[Echognome]

We won 13 IMPs on the hand, we played 5SX making, the other table was in 5C by my teammates after the woman holding my hand passed initially. I do not intend that as evidence suggesting that my choices were right, only as side information for those who are interested.

Not that it affects your story in the slightest, but your teammates were in 6♣ at the other table.

[han]

Ah ok. You sacced over 5S?

[pclayton]

Ah ok. You sacced over 5S?

Effectively we sacced.

 

6♣ is a great spot but failed. Our hands were: ♠void ♥QJxx ♦KJxx ♣QJxxx opposite ♠Jx ♥Ax ♦Qxx ♣AKxxxx.

 

With diamonds 5-1 and the heart off its hopeless (I think Matt can make it with mirrors). This is what makes 5♠ roll.

[han]

Good job teammies!

[Fluffy]

I opened 2S and when 5C came back to me I did think that I had much more offense than is usual so I bid 5S.

I you had too much ofense for 2 spades its obvious you should had opened 3 or 4 spades.

[jdonn]

I still hate 5♠. Doesn't your pard have an automatic 5♠ bid on his own anyway?

[skjaeran]

I'd normally pass as opener here. The alternative for me would be 3♠, not 2♠.

 

Over 5♣ I'd pass. The alternative would be double, not 5♠.

[whereagles]

Guys, if you open an atypical 2♠, it's ok to make atypical bids (like 5♠) later :)

 

As long as they work well, that is.. lol.

[Guest Jlall]

Over 5♣ I'd pass. The alternative would be double, not 5♠.

Agree with this, X as an "I want to bid 5S" bid is becoming more popular because you really hare bidding 5S in front of partner.