Halo Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 [hv=s=sakxxxhj98xxdacak]133|100|[/hv] After you open 1S, LHO passes, partner bids 4S. What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 ugh. i know some old fashion system where 5♥ asks pd to bid 6 with hearts under control. could we plz plz adopt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 5Con the way to down in 5 spades. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I'll go with 5C too, just too good of a chance partner has short hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 5♣. If p has a heart control (probably singleton) we are in 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Pass. I am not playing partner for the perfect hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Pass. I am not playing partner for the perfect hand. Me neither, I'll ask him if he has it instead. 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Pass. I am not playing partner for the perfect hand. Me neither, I'll ask him if he has it instead. 5♣. me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Some beginner questions: - What will 5♥ mean? First round control? First or second round control?- Can partner reasonably have 4 spades here? (This makes a big difference, right? We need to ruff at lest some hearts, depending on partner's high cards, without being overruffed.... The hand presents some huge, obvious upside. How much certainty does 5♣ - 5♥ give us? V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 - What will 5♥ mean? First round control? First or second round control? 5H by partner will show a first or second round control. Obviously this could include something like Kxx, but that would be very unlucky since that would give him shortness in a minor which is obviously unlikely given our hand. - Can partner reasonably have 4 spades here? It would be unusual but possible with something like 6-4 or 544 shape. I don't think partner can have 4 spades and 5431 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Strangely, I'm inclined to simply blast 6♠. I bet I have a good shot of making six even if partner's stiff is not in hearts, if I am fortunate enough to not get a heart lead. I may end up, for instance, with three top minor cards in my hand (3), three diamond ruffs in my hand (6), partner's fifth spade (11), and a sixth trump, an established diamond, or the club Queen for my 12th trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 OK Ken, I don't understand. Could you give me a hand where partner has two or more small hearts and we can take 12 tricks on such a line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 OK Ken, I don't understand. Could you give me a hand where partner has two or more small hearts and we can take 12 tricks on such a line? I'll save Ken the trouble.. altho maybe you'll say this is too remote a possibility ( :P ) and I'd be forced to agree with you: Qxxxx xx void QJxxxx is one 'obvious' layout :) :P :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 OK Ken, I don't understand. Could you give me a hand where partner has two or more small hearts and we can take 12 tricks on such a line? I'll save Ken the trouble.. altho maybe you'll say this is too remote a possibility ( :P ) and I'd be forced to agree with you: Qxxxx xx void QJxxxx is one 'obvious' layout :) :P :P You don't have to get that sexy. How about something simpler, like ♠QJxxx ♥xx ♦xxxxx ♣x? If I get a club lead, this is easy. The hand you provided of ♠Qxxxx ♥xx ♦void ♣QJxxxx seems like overkill. As the diamond void allows a heart pitch from dummy, the clubs could be six small, easily. You ruff clubs until the opponents are out and then use the remaining clubs and spades on dummy to ditch the hearts in hand (complicated way to say "dummy reversal", perhaps the problem considering the suggested hand from mikeh). But, that's a diamond-shortness holding rather than the slightly more likely club-shortness version. I have to admit that I cannot come up with a good hand for the club Queen ever playing out as important, because it must be long, making diamond short, and must be so long that its existence is immaterial, except perhaps to counter a bad (3-0) trump split. I also have to admit that there are some transportation difficulties, depending upon the lead, in some layouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 - What will 5♥ mean? First round control? First or second round control? 5H by partner will show a first or second round control. Obviously this could include something like Kxx, but that would be very unlucky since that would give him shortness in a minor which is obviously unlikely given our hand. - Can partner reasonably have 4 spades here? It would be unusual but possible with something like 6-4 or 544 shape. I don't think partner can have 4 spades and 5431Is it standard practice to show second round control after 1♠-4♠-5♣? I always thought if one makes the first cue bid at 5 level it should be an ace or void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Well, theory, according to most standard agreements, 1M-4M shouldn't have an outside A or void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 OK Ken, I don't understand. Could you give me a hand where partner has two or more small hearts and we can take 12 tricks on such a line? I'll save Ken the trouble.. altho maybe you'll say this is too remote a possibility ( :P ) and I'd be forced to agree with you: Qxxxx xx void QJxxxx is one 'obvious' layout :) :P B) No it isn't, read Ken's suggested line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 OK Ken, I don't understand. Could you give me a hand where partner has two or more small hearts and we can take 12 tricks on such a line? I'll save Ken the trouble.. altho maybe you'll say this is too remote a possibility ( :P ) and I'd be forced to agree with you: Qxxxx xx void QJxxxx is one 'obvious' layout :) :P :huh: You don't have to get that sexy. How about something simpler, like ♠QJxxx ♥xx ♦xxxxx ♣x? If I get a club lead, this is easy. The hand you provided of ♠Qxxxx ♥xx ♦void ♣QJxxxx seems like overkill. As the diamond void allows a heart pitch from dummy, the clubs could be six small, easily. You ruff clubs until the opponents are out and then use the remaining clubs and spades on dummy to ditch the hearts in hand (complicated way to say "dummy reversal", perhaps the problem considering the suggested hand from mikeh). But, that's a diamond-shortness holding rather than the slightly more likely club-shortness version. I have to admit that I cannot come up with a good hand for the club Queen ever playing out as important, because it must be long, making diamond short, and must be so long that its existence is immaterial, except perhaps to counter a bad (3-0) trump split. I also have to admit that there are some transportation difficulties, depending upon the lead, in some layouts. I hope my point was clear, the line of play you suggested doesn't work. If partner has a club singleton or diamond void you may make, true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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