elwood913 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 HI, NV vs V Opponents open and respond 2/1 (srry, don't remember if it's 2/1 game force), do you preempt with this hand? 1♥ - p - 2♦ - ? [hv=s=skqj752ht52dq7c92]133|100|[/hv] I can reasonably but not surely count my hand to 5 tricks so would like to preempt with 3♠. However, am am worried that: 1) I can't surely count my hand to 5 tricks...i can lose 2 trumps if the opponents have the A and 4 to the 8, 9 , or 10.2 ) the opponents have shown great strength, so I am more worried about suffering a big penalty.3) They haven't shown any evidence of a fit so I am worried they will be happier to X and take their penalty against me, and that my p is less likely to hold a lot of spades.4) The preemptive value is less because they have already conveyed a lot of information. I'd like to preempt to tell my p about my hand, but am worried about the above. So, what should I do? Thx, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Yes. I'd bid a preemptive 2♠. I'm not meaning to be funny, really. The point is that a 2♠ call here has a lot of preemptive effect, anyway, even without the jump. Opener cannot any longer bid 2♥, his 3♥ call is probably ambiguous to his partner, his double is vague, the opponents end up in rarely sailed waters. Partner is able to add to the fun by bidding some number of spades. The other point is that partner will not expect a 2♠ call in the face of a 2/1 auction to be 15+ HCP's. It's meddlesome. 3♠, in contrast, might work. But, I like 2♠. Does enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I would bid 3S at w/r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 2S for me is enough, although I might bid 3S if white vs red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwood913 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Hi, Thx, I don't like 2♠ because i think my p will expect more from me, if not in high cards then in distribution...in that auction there's a bunch of distribution going around for everyone to have their bid, and I sure enough don't have that distribution so i'm the one who's lying....so, if you want to bid 2♠, okay...but i don't...so if you have to bid 3♠ or pass, your partner expecting 3♠ to show the ability to take 5 tricks with spades trump, what do you bid? ....or am i wrong about 2♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Hi, Thx, I don't like 2♠ because i think my p will expect more from me, if not in high cards then in distribution...in that auction there's a bunch of distribution going around for everyone to have their bid, and I sure enough don't have that distribution so i'm the one who's lying....so, if you want to bid 2♠, okay...but i don't...so if you have to bid 3♠ or pass, your partner expecting 3♠ to show the ability to take 5 tricks with spades trump, what do you bid? ....or am i wrong about 2♠? I don't understand this post: if I read it correctly, you want to reject 2♠ for lack of distribution and subsititute a 3♠ call? Most would, I think, expect more shape for 3♠ than for 2♠. Personally, I pretty well always bid 2♠ here. I understand 3♠ at favourable, but I wouldn't make the call... but I tend to be fairly conservative compared to a lot of tournament players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwood913 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Mike, I understand your confusion...I don't like either call.I'm saying 2♠ is out of the question for me because it will misrepresent my hand to my p...3♠ might then be reasonable becdause at least p will know what to expect..5 trump winners and nothing else, and can then intelligently decide whether or not to compete. My p likes 3♠ so I'm asking to see if it has some merit. it's starting to sound like 2♠ has the same force as 3♠ but with more safety...should i just assume my p won't take it as a big bid in the face of the auction and make it as the best descriptive/safe/interfering bid I have available? Thx :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 3♠ has plenty of merit NV vs V (I failed to see vul initially). Often you'll find a good 4♠ save over their game and sometimes they'll guess wrong and I think you want PD to lead a ♠ vs 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 2♠. Gets the message across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 2♠ is never constructive, maybe maybe vs. stone age acol where they open on 10 and 2/1 with 7.5 - Frances will tell us for sure, but I think vs those systems it make sense to bid on the two level only on good hands, not only good suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Mike, I understand your confusion...I don't like either call.I'm saying 2♠ is out of the question for me because it will misrepresent my hand to my p...3♠ might then be reasonable becdause at least p will know what to expect..5 trump winners and nothing else, and can then intelligently decide whether or not to compete. My p likes 3♠ so I'm asking to see if it has some merit. it's starting to sound like 2♠ has the same force as 3♠ but with more safety...should i just assume my p won't take it as a big bid in the face of the auction and make it as the best descriptive/safe/interfering bid I have available? Thx :) 2♠ doesn't show a good hand just a good suit after the opponents have forced to game. Thinking of it as a pure and solid weak 2♠ overcall is pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elwood913 Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I see what you all are saying, that 2♠ can't confuse pard, so is a fine bid. 3♠ is a little more adventuresome, and might also work well. I'll try them out and see what happens.Thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 yeah, 2♠. as others have said, this cannot be a strong hand unlesss opps are psyching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 yeah, 2♠. as others have said, this cannot be a strong hand unlesss opps are psyching And if they have psyched, you knowyou will beat them in the next boards. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 3♠ is fine with me. So is 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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