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how many diamonds do you open?  

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  1. 1. how many diamonds do you open?

    • I pass.
      0
    • I open 3NT gambling.
      1
    • 1
      8
    • 2
      0
    • 3
      0
    • 4
      0
    • 5
      19
    • 6
      8


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I don't have strong feelings about these kinds of hands, but my style is to open something very high like 5 or 6 and let the chips fall where they may.

 

With a solid 8 bagger at these colors I'm more inclined to open 5, so with an 8-5, I think I'll open 6.

 

The one thing I won't do is pass, but I know many that would.

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Don't mind opening one. As to those who would open six, my view was well expressed (in a different context) by Bobby Wolff, who said "I admire them - I just don't want their results."

Not sure how to take that quote, but it certainly sounds like you think there's a "right" way to bid an 8-5. I long stopped presuming I knew what's the best way to bid with freaks. I certainly believe that 1 could work out being the right bid as could pass, or 5 or 6. I'm just taking my "guess" with 6 on this hand.

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There is a good chance of buying it in 5 doubled by opening 5, the opps don't bid 5M/6M that much over it. Plus partner may just have enough stuff in the majors to stop them from making 5M/6M anyways. Of course this may miss a slam.
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[hv=d=s&v=e&n=sjxxxxxxhjxxxxdcx&w=sakqhakq987dxcajt&e=sxxxhtxd9xxxckqxx&s=shdakqjtxxxcxxxxx]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

At our table:

 

6-6-X-all pass -1660

This was a 3 table event, and -1660 turned out to be a 50%!

 

The other auctions were amazing:

 

2NT*(minors)-X-p-p-p(!!!)

 

"I thought I might take 8 diamond tricks" (no, really, he really said that)

-6 for 1400 and 100%!

 

1-X-2-p

3-4-X(!!!)-XX

5-5*-X-p

6-X-p-p

p(!!!)

 

"I have better clubs than diamonds"

 

Double dummy defense can take 11 tricks in clubs, but they only took 8 for -1700.

 

Yes, I could have mentioned the exact circumstances (ie bidding judgment of other players in the club), but I was more interested in the Absolute Correct bid (which of course doesn't exist, but still).

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The other auctions were amazing:

 

2NT*(minors)-X-p-p-p(!!!)

 

"I thought I might take 8 diamond tricks" (no, really, he really said that)

-6 for 1400 and 100%!

This reminds me of a hand not quite so extreme where I had 1=1=7=4

 

I had about 10 hcp including AQ in diamonds.

 

Partner opened 2NT - weak 5/5 in the majors.

 

I was tempted to bid 3 which was an artificial GF the first step of which would have shown diamond shortage - quite a likely hand for partner I thought - which i would the pass. Luckily I didn't try this as partner was 5=5=2=1 so would have made some other bid.

 

I passed and 2NT became the final contract - well i might take seven diamond tricks. Partner's diamonds were Kx!!!!

 

A diamond was led <_<

 

-1.

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I understand the concerns about 6D but I don't agree with the outcome. When we hold two voids, the chances the opponents are distributional as well is also very high. I think you are deluding yourself if the opponents are automatically going to let you play at the 5 level when they are red / white.

 

Its very likely they will bid 5 over 5 here. How happy are you? I'm wouldn't be and I would be sorely tempted to compete to 6.

 

6 x'd is probably a good sac against a game. Expecting to buy it for 5D x'd isn't realistic.

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