oojah Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (1S) P (2D) P (2S) P (3C) X What has partner got for the double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 He'd better have a stack of ♣ or this double makes no sense to me noting that our side passed 3 times allready and the opps are in what may be a GF auction. I suspect PD wants a ♣ lead or shift and he'd better be able to set 3♣x if this is passed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 A good club suit. 3♣ could well be three cards (even a doubleton feature), looking for 3NT if partner can stop hearts. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 A good club suit. 3♣ could well be three cards (even a doubleton feature), looking for 3NT if partner can stop hearts. Roland You may wish to take a 2nd look at the given auction. The dbl of 3♣ was made by a player who passed the first time and his PD has passed twice. Once again I presume, that for some reason, he is showing a hand that wanted to overcall 2♣ on the first round, but wasn't good enough to call 3♣. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 A good club suit. 3♣ could well be three cards (even a doubleton feature), looking for 3NT if partner can stop hearts. Roland You may wish to take a 2nd look at the given auction. The dbl of 3♣ was made by a player who passed the first time and his PD has passed twice. Once again I presume, that for some reason, he is showing a hand that wanted to overcall 2♣ on the first round, but wasn't good enough to call 3♣. .. neilkaz .. I think you have misread Roland's post: he is saying much the same as you, and pointing out that the 3C bidder may not really have real clubs. The double suggests a club lead against their final contract. You wouldn't bid 3C over 2D on some random 3235 with KJ109x of clubs, but you certainly want partner to lead them against 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Thx, Francis, I must really missunderstand Roland's post since he says the double is looking for 3NT if PD can stop ♥. You wrote "The double suggests a club lead against their final contract. You wouldn't bid 3C over 2D on some random 3235 with KJ109x of clubs, but you certainly want partner to lead them against 3NT. " I agree completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 It shows clubs. There's plenty of hands I can hold with a real club suit that can't compete over a 2♦ response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Thx, Francis, I must really missunderstand Roland's post since he says the double is looking for 3NT if PD can stop ♥. Where did I say that? The question was: What has partner got for the double? So I replied: A good club suit ... I apologise profusely for answering the question oojah asked. It is obviously responder's partner who should bid 3NT if he can stop hearts. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 In Robson/Segal style, this would be take out of clubs & penalty of diamonds. But that's impossible because opps' auction is game-forcing. You can't want to compete now and besides, you don't want to take out clubs into opps' 5-card diams or 5-card spades :P I'm leaning towards dbl = "shows some clubs." Sometimes 3♣ is bid on a 3 card suit, just to create a force, so dbl as pen makes sense here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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