Do you preempt?

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Do you bid 2♠, 1♠ or pass?

[ArtK78]

2♠. Partner will expect less defense and more offense for a 3S bid.

[MickyB]

2♠

[Rossoneri]

My gut instinct was 3♠ looking at length purely...but the ♠suit is crap. Either pass or 2♠ for me.

[dicklont]

Both vul. so 2♠ will do. Not vulnerable i would bid 3♠.

[gwnn]

I'd consider 1♠ but 2♠ sounds better (albeit Woolsey: this is the worst suit ever, the Ace and many small cards).

[cjames]

I would not concider 1♠, but would bid 2♠. Not sure what I would have done if non-vul, probably 2♠ then as well.

[pclayton]

2♠.

 

I'll bet Josh bids 1♠.

[joker_gib]

2♠ vul and 3♠ (if I was NV)

[Guest Jlall]

2S

[jdonn]

2♠.

 

I'll bet Josh bids 1♠.

Haha. It was my first instinct, but 2 is fine also.

[P_Marlowe]

2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[neilkaz]

2♠ here Red vs Red 3♠ if White vs Red. 1♠ never

[zasanya]

2♠.

 

I'll bet Josh bids 1♠.

Haha. It was my first instinct, but 2 is fine also.

Why is 1♠ wrong?

[P_Marlowe]

2♠.

 

I'll bet Josh bids 1♠.

Haha. It was my first instinct, but 2 is fine also.

Why is 1♠ wrong?

1S is certainly not wrong, in my opinion

it is mainly a matter of tactical considerations

and of partnership agreements.

 

If you bid 2S, you are done with the hand, if you

bid 1S, you are certainly going to bid 2S, if you

have to, but you may have learned something about

the hand, and if you dont buy the hand, you have

concealed the hand type you hold.

 

And 1S is a little less risky than 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

2♠ seems ok. 3♠ if feeling more pushy.

[skjaeran]

Agree, but 3♠ only if very pushy.

[han]

1S and 2S are both fine with me. I would never bid 3S.

[neilkaz]

The reason I don't bid 1♠ is that then I have to bid 2♠ or may wish to compete to 3♠. When I overcall 1♠ and bid again I like to have more playing strength and useful HCP than this hand does.

 

2♠ gets the message across to PD and preempts the opps to some extent. My hand with a 7 bagger and only little chance to provide more than 1 defensive trick is a preempt to me. I find it quite important to mess with the opp's likely ♥ contract when you have ♠.

 

I'd open this hand 2♠ Red vs Red as I feel that the 7th trump compensates for the weak suit. If it is probably our hand we should have good chances for 4♠ if PD bids it with decent expectations to make. If it is their hand, we often will bid 4♠ or their 4♥ and pressure them.

 

Now if my suit was ♦, I wouldn't open 2♦ Red vs Red since I don't feel that 2♦ preempts nearly as much as 2♠ and I play disciplined weak 2♦ openings.

[andy_h]

I like 1S. But 2S is fine also given the vul but defo not 3S.

[keylime]

I like 2♠ - gets my hand across and it's just right on suit strength. 3♠ is a little harsh with this hand.

[SoTired]

probably 2S, maybe 3S. I personally don't like 1S with this hand.

 

I have noticed many experts increasingly consider 1S or 2S almost interchangable with this hand type in these situations,

[Yogeshdg]

If not vul i bid 3♠ else 2♠

[mikeh]

2♠: no second choice

 

I really dislike 1♠. It lacks (much) preemptive value: indeed, an overcall that is in the suit just above opener's often acts as an anti-preempt. It allows for negative doubles and a non-forcing 1N, as well as not exactly taking away bidding space: what are the chances that LHO was going to bid 1♠ if we passed.

 

And 1♠ should promise sone constructive values. I think that is so in all situations, but especially when partner is an unpassed hand. Most NA experts nowadays play extremely wide-range overcalls, so partner has to cater to a good 17 with a 5 card suit, as an example, and thus will (1) not raise with 2 cards when that gives us a 9 card fit, and (2) bid with values and no fit.. maybe bid too much, or (3) make a double of an enemy game based on short(ish) spades and an expectation of more than 1 defensive trick and negative side values.

 

3♠ is just too much.

 

And passers should never be dealt long spade suits: such are wasted on people who pass this hand.

 

So 2♠ it is: the goldilocks bid: just right.

[Guest Jlall]

I don't think pass is so bad, it certainly seems better than 3S, and depending on style maybe better than 1S, and this hand is pretty bad for a vul 2S bid. Not surprised its not popular but I don't think its unreasonable at all.

 

3S on this hand is for the suicidal.