joker_gib Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 3NT as an undiscussed slam try is just silly. I agree ! If you want to make a slam try then you have 3 bids between 3♣ and 3NT to show something (or maybe 3♦ to ask for shortness).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 3NT as an undiscussed slam try is just silly. 3NT as "to play" with a known 5 - 4 fit is silly also (opening 4-card majors in 3rd seat for tactical reasons is okay, 4th seat not so). So we're left with bidding what we have, which is ♣. I bid 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 3NT as an undiscussed slam try is just silly. 3NT as "to play" with a known 5 - 4 fit is silly also Apparently I am silly, I have played 3N with a 5-4 major fit before. It's not that frequent, but occasionally it is right.Now please show me the hand where an undiscussed 3N slam try is the best way to find a slam.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 3NT as an undiscussed slam try is just silly. 3NT as "to play" with a known 5 - 4 fit is silly also Apparently I am silly, I have played 3N with a 5-4 major fit before. It's not that frequent, but occasionally it is right.Now please show me the hand where an undiscussed 3N slam try is the best way to find a slam.. heh, I played a hand this week where I was 6322, opened 1S in 4th, partner bid 4 card drury, and I bid 3N and pard passed and it was the best spot (and made when 4S goes down). I also played a hand where we bid 1N-3N with a 5-4 heart fit and it was also the best spot. I don't even think it's so infrequent for 3N to be the right spot, and when it is you can often diagnose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I saw Josh bid 3NT yesterday with a 7-card suit after partner had supported him! 3NT was cold (9 top tricks, and a protected heart king) while 4S needed the heart ace onside. The heart ace was onside and the rest of the field was in 4S so Josh lost one IMP. But 3NT was clearly the superior game. We don't know partner's hand but it is not hard to imagine a hand for partner where 3NT will look like the best spot to him. With our hand it looks (in my opinion) that 4S is better so I think a pull is correct. Maybe there are some auctions where 3NT cannot be the winning spot but without discussion I would always assume that 3NT is natural. I find it very surprising that there are experts (?) who think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Bidding 3NT on (balanced) 6 or 7 card suits has much more going for it than some random 5332. You need some fast tricks, and with 5332 it tends to go too slow for declarer, if the defense finds the weakest spot. Playing 3NT as natural certainly has merit. Personally I do that only if the opponents have bid something, so that there are stopper issues and ruffs to help the decision (and, perhaps, so that slam is more unlikely). Else I play 3NT as a slamtry w/o splinters (shown on 4-lvl). Below 3M bids are game invitational hands - best description. When there is only one in-between bid possible, it's a catch all INV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 How do you know partner has a random 5332? I doubt he has a random hand. I think 3NT says he has a hand that suggests 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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