Free Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 The auction starts:1♣* - 1♦** - pass - 2♣***2NT - pass - 3♥? 1♣ = 17+HCP, any distribution1♦ = ♥ or (♠+♣)2♣ = P/C(Partner pass shows 0-6HCP, otherwise he'd bid) What would you take 3♥ for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I'm assuming the rule that system is on as long as no suit (other than clubs by opps) has been indicated and NT has not been doubled. It is possible that it should depend on the meaning of the failure to bid over 1♦. In my IRL partnership, responder can still have a semipositive with five hearts, so system is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 System meta-rules suggest this is a transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 transfer. i see no reason not to play "stayman" + transfer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 System meta-rules suggest this is a transfer. What he said: (Notrump module applies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 It's the first natural bid by the partnership so yeah transfers. I once had this auction1♦ 1♥ P P1NT p 2♥ Partner thought 2♥ was a transfer and we got into trouble, I feel this should not be a transfer even in the opponents' suit, because the partnership made a natural bid in a suit before bidding notrump. In fact I held xx QJT9x xx xxxx as responder (or something like that.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 In my world the bidding has gone ... bla bla bla bla2NT System on, 3♥ is a transfer. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjames Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 In my world the bidding has gone ... bla bla bla bla2NT System on, 3♥ is a transfer. Roland I like this logic :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 In my world the bidding has gone ... bla bla bla bla2NT System on, 3♥ is a transfer. Roland I like this logic B) Seriously, the auction so far is in effect ... bla 1) I have something. I'll tell you laterbla 2) I have something. I may tell you later.bla 3) I have nothing. I may tell you how "much" later.bla 4) I may have something if you have something.2NT So ignore bla 1 through 4 and start from scratch :rolleyes: Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 It's the first natural bid by the partnership so yeah transfers. I once had this auction1♦ 1♥ P P1NT p 2♥ Partner thought 2♥ was a transfer and we got into trouble, I feel this should not be a transfer even in the opponents' suit, because the partnership made a natural bid in a suit before bidding notrump. In fact I held xx QJT9x xx xxxx as responder (or something like that.) This auction is different because here both the pass and the 1D call carry some natural meaning (I mean, say something about shape). I'm not sure if 2H should be to play here. Typically a cuebid on your next opportunity after passing reveals a strong hand that was penalty passing. I agree with you that such a hand can typically just bid 3NT so natural 2H may be better, but it is dangerous to try this at the table. But it should not be a transfer in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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