jillybean Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dealer: South Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A9864 ♥ 8 ♦ KJ7 ♣ K862 West North East South - - - 1♠ 2♣ 3♣ Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I would bid 4♠ on reasons that are a bit technical, not judgemental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 3S, assuming 3C is inv.+ with fit.You have a min opener, and theKing of club is nothing to cheer about. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 3S. You have a minimum and the fact that your RHO has bid clubs is a really bad sign. Had it gone 1S-(2H)-3H then I would have bid game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Downgrade this hand quickly. The KC is a bad omen, and your diamond holding is in trouble potentially. Pard is not going to have 2 trump honors, a working diamond honor, club shortage, and a heart honor enough to merit a blast. That, and well, he/she may still move on to game as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Opener has a 11 HCP hand and his trumps aren't great and the K of ♣ needs to be devalued with due to the overcall. All that makes me want to just bid 3♠ (off course assuming 3♣ is limit raise or better) but then PD may hold the magic.... Kxxx,xxxx,AQxx,x There are two inbetween suits available for game tries and, for me if I bid 3♦ all it shows is a game try with better ♦ than ♥. However, PD may bid game with hands that have little chance to make and I really don't care for the likely positioning of my K of ♣ and we could have a trump loser or two on a bad day or be sunk by a poor split. I lean towards the wimpy 3♠ rather than a game try. ... neilkaz ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'd bid 3♠. Some people say that you should accept any invite with a stiff, however, this hand is incredible weak and the King of Clubs is badly placed. If I were to consider any other bid, it would be 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I would bid 4♠ on reasons that are a bit technical, not judgemental. This is the second time today I see you use the word technical, and again I have no clue what it means. For what technical reasons would you misbid on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I usually accept a limit raise with a stiff in my hand, but I can't bring myself to do it here. Not only is the K♣ a dubious card, but RHO will probably be overruffing clubs. Furthermore we are NV, so why do I need to push? 3♠ and hope we make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I would bid 4♠ on reasons that are a bit technical, not judgemental. This is the second time today I see you use the word technical, and again I have no clue what it means. For what technical reasons would you misbid on this hand? Pard rates to have a doubleton club. That makes it a SST of 3, meaning 19-21 WPs are good for 10 tricks. I got 8 WPs, so I need like 11 WPs in pard. That's not too much of a prayer given he's cued. If I just sign-off in 3♠, pard might pass with a few min hands that make game. And if he happens to have a singleton club, we'll make game almost all of the time. Finally, if you think this technical reason is a "misbid", well... I guess you suck then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'd bid 3♠. Some people say that you should accept any invite with a stiff, however, this hand is incredible weak and the King of Clubs is badly placed. If I were to consider any other bid, it would be 3♦ I have heard that said too, but I believe it is advice that is only intended for when partner promises 4 card support. The stiff in the long hand is not nearly as valuable in a 5-3 fit, especially with such weak trumps. Anyway I digress. Absolutely routine pass. It was a pass in a close decision if there was no interference and partner had a 3 card limit raise, but the 2♣ overcall makes it obvious. Edit: Ok maybe not pass :) Obviously I meant signoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Josh, you should look at it from the technical side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Josh, you should look at it from the technical side! I don't want to suck like you hehe, I'll stick to being right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I would bid 3D, but I'm a sicko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </th> <td> A9864 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> 8 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> KJ7 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> K862 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end --> West North East South - - - 1♠ 2♣ 3♣ Pass ? </span> lots of interesting replies. At imps I would always accept game with a stiff and this hand type if partner knows I open this light. OTher option is too pass and not open but not sure that is allowed in forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 My expert (pu) partner bid 3nt here, "choice of games since I know you have ♥'s"The hand came as a surprise, I overbid and the result was of course a disaster. http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=22023&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 My expert (pu) partner bid 3nt here, "choice of games since I know you have ♥'s"The hand came as a surprise, I overbid and the result was of course a disaster. http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=22023&hl= I don't care for PD's 3NT and noting that you may have only 10 HCP how does he expect to make it if you choose to leave him there ? EDIT: Perhaps PD assumed 3♣ was GF in SAYC as it should be, but many play Q = LROB. Even if 3♣ is GF, I don't care for his 3NT bid with his hand even if intended to offer a choice of games, and an expert should be careful not to confuse a pick up PD. If you don't mind, please show us the bidding after 3NT. Did you end up going for a bad slam, perhaps stopping at the 5 level because you though PD was stronger ? As a general rule, when you are confused by the bidding or expect PD is, keep things low and go slowly. If you Q bid 4♥ or 4♣ next and PD didn't cooperate and just bid 4♠, just pass and end the auction. If you blasted into a quick Blackwood over his 3NT, then you needed to be sure that he had monster slam interest, which I wouldn't expect in SAYC. You can find out about that slam interest buy Qing at the 4 level. When I am dealt your hand and hear PD open 1♠, the only thing that cross my mind here is that we are playing game and it will be 4♠ unless PD fits ♥ as well. Nothing in this bidding indicates to me that PD has the substantial extras needed for slam. Be careful when you aren't certain what PD's bids mean. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 If you don't mind, please show us the bidding after 3NT. Did you end up going for a bad slam, perhaps stopping at the 5 level because you though PD was stronger ? I'd rather not, suffice to say my partners bidding was fabulous in comparison. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Agree with Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Mark me down for a sucking 3♠ (unless 3♣ is GF and fast arrival applies). This hand has degraded to a subminimum (ok just a minimum for people more aggresive than me). 3NT was really ill-judged. Experts, sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Agree with Phil Yeah nicely said Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 With a 7-loser minimum hand and a downgradable ♣K this is a clear 3♠ IMO. The only conceivable alternative would be 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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