paulg Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s984hjtdakqt3cqt7]133|100|Scoring: IMPOpponents are silent. 1♣ - 1♦2♣ - ?[/hv]If 3♣ is forcing then this is not a problem, but is that common? Anyhow, you are pretty sure that this partner will not consider 3♣ forcing here, so what do you do? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I have never heard of playing 3C as forcing here. Anyways, I'd probably bid 3C. Could miss a NV game but bidding 2S is pretty sick, and this could be our last plus (we need AK of clubs + stoppers in both majors from partner for game, and for him to have a pass of 3C. Possible, but it's also possible we have no game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think p stops the majors. He must have points somewhere, and the nonvul opps are silent. I'll bid one of the major to get 3N in p's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 easy 2 spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 easy 3 Club bid, this is always nonforcing. PDs hand is some 3316 or so. We will make game opposite Axx,Qxx,x,AKxxxx, but with this hand he will bid after my 3 Club bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 3C, slight underbid but without stoppers in either major game looks far off. BTW, Arend and I used to play 3C as forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 With pet pard: 2♥, artificial 3rd suit forcing.With random pard: 2♠ and hope for the best. Although there are hints game is not there, I'm not going to mastermind this because opener is still rather undefined. For instance, he might have as little as KJxQxxxAJxxxx with game on a finesse. And that's not nearly the best hand he can have which would pass a 3♣ or 3♦ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm not going to mastermind this..... !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I like 3♣ as well. We have a pretty soft holding in the majors and will need a lot of help there to make 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hannie: what's so strange about that? Contrary to common belief, masterminding is a technical thing, not a personality disorder. This is the wrong hand to mastermind.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I have never heard of playing 3C as forcing here. Ask Helgemo-Helness or Brogeland-Sælensminde. I'm believe they both play this sequence as forcing. (I know they play 1♣-1♦-1M/N-2♣ as slammish.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 whereagles: what do you think the masterminding bid on this hand would be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s984hjtdakqt3cqt7]133|100|Scoring: IMPOpponents are silent. 1♣ - 1♦2♣ - ?[/hv]If 3♣ is forcing then this is not a problem, but is that common? Anyhow, you are pretty sure that this partner will not consider 3♣ forcing here, so what do you do? Paul Across from the junk my partners open on this is barely an invite with 3clubs. Not close to game forcing. BTW I was told this past week by all my pick up partners that this is why a jump 3D rebid is game forcing and that is how they all made me play it. Is this standard in the f2f real world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Justin and I would own this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think I'm just too good for 3♣. Matt and I play 3♣ as forcing here with 2♥ starting invitational sequences. I'll show my "stopper" of 2♥. Hopefully we can get out at 4♣ if necessary. By the way, I think there's a good chance that the major suits are splitting pretty evenly for the opponents since nobody overcalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Good point Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 3C Minors extra values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 This was from a partnership bidding room and I bid 3♣, albeit concerned that my hand was pretty good. However, like others, partner could have a pretty poor hand opposite. This time he held ♠Axx ♥AQx ♦x ♣AJxxxx and bid 3NT which looks a comfortable place to be, even though 5♣ is the better contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 whereagles: what do you think the masterminding bid on this hand would be? 3♣ or 3♦, both natural invites. I would say those bids gamble that, unless pard has extras, game will not be there. I don't think the hints in that direction are strong enough to justify such a unilateral action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I think you're misusing the word "unilateral". An invitational bid may show astoundingly poor judgement, but it's asking partner for an opinion - and thus can't be unilateral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I use "unilateral" in this sense: with 12 hcp and a superb diamond suit, I know we belong in game. To invite a game when I should be bidding one is a unilateral decision, because, in my opinion, the hints that this is the right thing to do aren't strong enough (others disagree, though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yes, and my claim is that, bridge judgement aside, you're misusing the word. Bidding game is unilateral -- it doesn't given partner a say. I think what you want to say is that 3♣ and 3♦ are not unilateral enough (which can be just as bad). At the table I'm pretty sure I'd bid 2M, but I quite like the arguments for 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Ok, so what term would you use instead of 'unilateral'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 This was from a partnership bidding room and I bid 3♣, albeit concerned that my hand was pretty good. However, like others, partner could have a pretty poor hand opposite. This time he held ♠Axx ♥AQx ♦x ♣AJxxxx and bid 3NT which looks a comfortable place to be, even though 5♣ is the better contract. So just to point out what I think you have implied: as long as you make some sort of invitational bid, you will end in game on this hand as partner won't pass. (In fact after 1C - 1D - 2C - 3C I would have thought you have a very good chance of ending in 5C) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 What a good hand for Mafia, but of course no one likes that do they? Here a 2M bid would be artificial and a stopper ask, as you can't have a 4 card Major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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