compete

[Trumpace]

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As you've seen, later developments justified my approach.

 

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Why so?

 

Just this hand is not justification enough. I am not saying it (the 1NT bid) is wrong or right (I have no clue), but the claim that this one hand justifies that bid is ridiculous.

[whereagles]

Well, if you think "justification" is ridiculous, change that to "vindicated".

 

There, happy?

[keylime]

I confess I don't bid 1NT here, no do I double since I lack some diamonds. If anything, I would bid an offbeat 2♥ over 1NT, especially with honor-doubleton. However, I have played with folks that will bid 1NT to show some values.

[hrothgar]

Well, if you think "justification" is ridiculous, change that to "vindicated".

 

There, happy?

In what way have you been vindicated?

 

Virtually every poster here disagrees with you.

Multiple world class players say that 1NT is a bad bid.

 

The opponents have reached the two level, vulnerable, in a no-fit auction, facing a bad trump break.

 

Your partner (who probably on has 1-2 Spades) couldn't find any kind of descriptive bid.

 

And you, somehow, think that

 

(A) You're badly positioned

(B) You would have been better off bidding 1NT

[andy_h]

pass. I see no reason to distort my hand with clubs when partner can still act in the auction.

[jdonn]

Totally obvious pass, every bid had at least one flaw that makes it clearly wrong. It's a good lesson that you don't have to bid just because you have enough points to make a bid correct if you held some other hand.

 

This is not only one of the worst possible auctions to bid notrump without a stopper, but the worst holding in a suit bid on your right (xxxx) to bid notrump without a stopper. If I was forced to bid I would bid 2♣.

[whereagles]

1. Virtually every poster here disagrees with you. Multiple world class players say that 1NT is a bad bid.

 

2. The opponents have reached the two level, vulnerable, in a no-fit auction, facing a bad trump break. Your partner (who probably on has 1-2 Spades) couldn't find any kind of descriptive bid. And you, somehow, think that

 

(A ) You're badly positioned

(B ) You would have been better off bidding 1NT

1. I'm surprised to see you arguing like this. Why should I care for what others say if I know where I stand? Did Galileu cared for what others told him when he invented his heliocentric theory? Of course not. He knew very well what he was doing, and so do I.

 

2. Whether or not I'm badly positioned is debatable, but one think I'm certain of: I'd be much more relaxed if I had bid 1NT before. As it is, a club fit might be there and we're missing it. By the way, I don't think the spade break is bad. RHO might easily run the suit for 5-6 tricks.

 

In case you're wondering how to unearth the club fit, I can say this: what was

 

1♥ (1♠) pass (2♦)

 

might turn out to be

 

1♥ (1♠) 1NT (pass)

2♣

 

or

 

1♥ (1♠) 1NT (2♦)

3♣

 

or, if you play good-bad,

 

1♥ (1♠) 1NT (2♦)

2NT*

 

*: competitive with clubs or 6 hearts

[hrothgar]

1. I'm surprised to see you arguing like this. Why should I care for what others say if I know where I stand? Did Galileu cared for what others told him when he invented his heliocentric theory? Of course not. He knew very well what he was doing, and so do I.

Maybe so, but for every Galileo there's 100 braying idiots eating their own feces in the lunatic bin, equally convinced of that they've discovered some deep new truth.

 

I went to school with a lot of geniuses. I've known a lot of geniuses. Many geniuses are friends of mine. Whereagles, you're no genius...

 

Hell, many would argue that you're somewhere off on the other end of the bell curve.

[whereagles]

1. Maybe so, but for every Galileo there's 100 braying idiots eating their own feces in the lunatic bin, equally convinced of that they've discovered some deep new truth.

 

2. I went to school with a lot of geniuses.  I've known a lot of geniuses.  Many geniuses are friends of mine. Whereagles, you're no genius... Hell, many would argue that you're somewhere off on the other end of the bell curve.

1. I can see you're no genious either because you missed the point completely. I wouldn't dream comparing myself to Galileo. But there's one thing I know: I will never be as good as Galileo if I don't have the same attitude as he had, which is to be critical of what others think, regardless who they are, and to stand up for what I believe and think it's right. Heck dude, you're american. This should be second nature to you. Why is it so hard for you to understand?

 

2. Off the other end of the bell curve, huh...? Do they give PhDs in physics to people like that?

 

Frankly, Richard. You disappoint me. You can do much better than driving this conversation to the level of personal insult.

[gwnn]

I think the concept of "I'll double if I'm short in opps' suit every time I have 6+ hcp and bid NT if I am long in opps' suit every time I have 6+hcp" is equivalent to "I can't pass... I have 6+hcp! I can't possibly pass, can I?"