we had it then lost it

[jillybean]

The lunatic 7♥ here was mine and I can’t come up with any reasonable justification for it now.

When I talked to my partner and showed them the thread, the response was they think its better to bid 4nt than show the opps where the key cards are. This ‘don’t give the opps any information’ approach isn’t uncommon but it leaves me in the dark along with the opps.

[helene_t]

When I talked to my partner and showed them the thread, the response was they think its better to bid 4nt than show the opps where the key cards are.

OK but over-use of RKC is not the best way of keeping opps in the dark. If p is going to declare, the answer to RKC can be doubled for the lead. If you are going to declare, opps get to know how many keycards you have.

 

Better invite for slam with a general invite of 5♥. Or play sting cues.

[P_Marlowe]

<snip>

This ‘don’t give the opps any information’ approach isn’t uncommon but it leaves me in the dark along with the opps.

Ok, one can understand this.

 

But I suggest, that you read S.J. Simon "Why you loose at Bridge",

the central theme is, that in a given circumstance you cant

achieve the theoretical best possible result due to lack of

knowledge / agreemnts / ... and you have to accept this,

because if you dont, you will loose a whole lot more.

 

In other words, at the table you should accept, that the

grand cant be bid.

But of course you can / and maybe you should sit down

later with your partner and discuss your methods, which

may help you to bid the grand the next time.

you

 

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Winstonm]

When I talked to my partner and showed them the thread, the response was they think its better to bid 4nt than show the opps where the key cards are

 

The thrust of this illogical sentiment is that your partner must be planning on bidding a lot of slams that depend on getting a lucky lead to make.

[jillybean]

Sting cues will look great on my profile :P

 

 

How the heck do you play it? :)

[vuroth]

Sting cues will look great on my profile :P

 

 

How the heck do you play it? :)

My play sometimes involves sting keys. (Must be said aloud for maximum effect.)

 

:D

 

V

[jillybean]

Oh, I already have that one :)

[neilkaz]

The lunatic 7♥ here was mine and I can’t come up with any reasonable justification for it now.

When I talked to my partner and showed them the thread, the response was they think its better to bid 4nt than show the opps where the key cards are. This ‘don’t give the opps any information’ approach isn’t uncommon but it leaves me in the dark along with the opps.

This will be a 2 part reply.

 

Part 1) While I don't agree with PD's blast to 4NT with his cards, after he does this and then bids 6♥, it is a 100% sign off since he is telling you that after you showed 1 key card (most certainly the ace after your pos. response) that 6♥ is enough. His failure to inquire further with 5NT looking for a grand, indicates that he has no interest in one, based upon hearing about you 1 key card.

 

Your sig here states, to trust your PD and bid your cards. You initially bid your cards this hand, but later you failed to trust PD !

 

When you stretch to a vul grand, you gain 750 points if you make it, but turn +1430 into -100 if you go off one trick ! A check of the IMP table shows that those aren't good odds. When you carry on to a grand, you want to be rather certain of making it... ie a really clear favorite. Here it is just an odds against guess that your undisclosed void will allow PD to take 13 tricks, and a serious break of partnership discipline after he has signed off.

 

On this auction and looking at your hand and PD's bidding, I think it likely that 6♥ is getting a positive IMP score anyhow. You'll be surprised how many 2♣ auctions are screwed up, and how many slams can be missed anyhow. Not everyone would open 2♣ nor give a positive response. Some players play other responses and may mess things up as well and miss slam.

 

I'm certain that you're far too good to bid 7♥ again on a sequence like this.

 

Part 2) PD's blast to 4NT should be done only if the responses to your 1430 RKCB will allow him to accurately and confidently place the contract. After your positive response to his 2♣ he can be reasonably confident that 6♥ has decent play, but what if you have dead minimum ? We can construct hands where 6♥ has no play, and PD may find out about that if he starts slowly.

 

More importantly, what if you had responded 5♥ showing two key cards (both red aces here) ? Was PD prepared to gamble into 7NT ? Would PD bid 5NT to ask for kings ? PD has all the kings so all 5NT does is to guarantee all the key cards and you can,with undisclosed tricks carry on to the grand, but with him holding all the kings how can he really know that.

 

Clearly it is better for PD to slow down the bidding here and see how much you can Q and cooperate. If you lack the ace of ♦ there's only one loser in the suit anyhow, and it is unlikely that PD can get rid of it. If you have the ace of ♦, I don't see where PD has enough info to make 7♥ a really good bet.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[brianshark]

5% of the blame for opening 2♣. Only a small judgement issue really and tbh it's not certain opening 2♣ isn't better.

40% of the blame for the hasty 4NT.

5% of the blame for the failure to bid 6♥ which normally would show odd keycards with a void in a higher ranking suit, low because they might not play that method and maybe you don't want to risk confusion.

50% of the blame for the anti-percentage punt to 7♥.

[jillybean]

5% of the blame for the failure to bid 6♥ which normally would show odd keycards with a void in a higher ranking suit, low because they might not play that method and maybe you don't want to risk confusion.

6♥ showing odd keys and a void is normal?

[skjaeran]

5% of the blame for the failure to bid 6♥ which normally would show odd keycards with a void in a higher ranking suit, low because they might not play that method and maybe you don't want to risk confusion.

6♥ showing odd keys and a void is normal?

Depend upon where you live. Here the 6-level show 2KC and a void, 5NT an odd number and a void. :)