asc Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sa642hq93dakj8c87]133|100|[/hv] 1♣=3+ cards W____N____E____S ____ A/Pass_Pass__1♣_DoublePass__2♠___Pass__? W____N____E____S ____ B/_____Pass__1♣_DoublePass__2♠___Pass__? W____N____E____S ____C/Pass_Pass__1♣_DoublePass__1♠___Pass__? W____N____E____S ____ D/_____Pass__1♣_DoublePass__1♠___Pass__? What's your bid here, and is there any change with different vulnerability? If You have not standard methods -please explain (I realy want to know)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I don't think that there is much difference between A and B and between C and D. What you do after the 1S advance depends on agreement. Traditionally the raise to 2S shows game interest but I think quit a number of people play that it doesn't. If it only shows a sound doubler with 4 spades then obviously I'd bid it. Over 2S I'd try for game by bidding 3S. 4S seems too much, passing seems too little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I would bid 4♠ on both A and B unless we are playing a light opening system, in which case I would raise to 3♠. Since I play that a raise is obligatory when the doubler has 4 card support, I would bid 2♠ on both C and D. I don't think that my hand is worth any more than a minimum action after doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 clear pass on A and B, on C and D it is also clear unless you wanna psyche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 clear pass on A and B, on C and D it is also clear unless you wanna psyche What would you have for a jump to 2♠ as a passed hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I would bid 3♠ on the first two, just barely worth an invite. The second two don't belong in a bidding problem since it's a matter of agreement. If a raise is at all invitational you pass, if it just shows 4 you raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Agree with Gonzalo at MPs. At Imps I bid 3S on a and b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Say you passed in first seat or second seat with a hand like one of these, then heard 1♣ on your left and a double from partner: ♠KQxxx♥Axx♦xx♣xxx ♠KQJx♥KJx♦xxx♣Jxx What's your call? I would certainly bid 2♠, and both these hands offer good play for game opposite the example double. Unless you would open these hands, or make some other call than 2♠, shouldn't you at least try 3♠ with the doubling hand? You do want to bid a game that's on a finesse through opening bidder after all. I agree with Josh Donn... but I'd be closer to 4♠ than pass over a 2♠ jump from partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 We had this discussion before and will have it again. It simply depends on your style after a double from partner.In the SEF world, 1 Spade shows 0-7 and about 4 Spades and 2 Spade shows 8-10, exactly 4 Spades. If you play this approach, pass is as easy as a compound squeeze in C and D and the percentage play in A and B. If you play the other style, where 2 Spade is forward going and can contain hands like Adams examples, you must at least invite with hand A and B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Say you passed in first seat or second seat with a hand like one of these, then heard 1♣ on your left and a double from partner: ♠KQxxx♥Axx♦xx♣xxx ♠KQJx♥KJx♦xxx♣Jxx What's your call? I would certainly bid 2♠, and both these hands offer good play for game opposite the example double. Unless you would open these hands, or make some other call than 2♠, shouldn't you at least try 3♠ with the doubling hand? You do want to bid a game that's on a finesse through opening bidder after all. I agree with Josh Donn... but I'd be closer to 4♠ than pass over a 2♠ jump from partner. Adam would you seriously pass your first example? Wouldn't you open 2S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Roland said it, we play French style where 2♠ denies 5 cards (you can lie if you upgraded your hand of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 With eg 2C for 10+, 5-suit next, 2S =10-12, 4S. Try 1D (cheapest new suit (CNS) below 2S) as an artificial force --an artifact from EFOS system. This clears other bids ambiguity. Or 1D (CNS) as Herbert neg. This bottoms other bids to a useful 7-8. And, on bust responses lets likely tenaced take out doubler declare low. I like xfer responses to takeout double. At least xfer to Majors with an odd bid to choose minor. This guarantees a second bid to partition 0-6/8-10/11+ or suit +stop or suit +suit. And super -accepts promote for fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 agree with hoggie (GASP!) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Adam's style is my style, hence my 4♠ bids in A and B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I'd just barely raise to 3♠ on A and B. C and D are clear raises to 2♠ in my world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I have to admit Adam's examples are convincing. I change from "barely 3♠" to "3♠". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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