missed slam arrrggghhh

[gwnn]

"2/1 135 udca" agreed, but feel free to introduce your favorite agreements here.

 

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[Echognome]

1♠ - 2♣

2NT* - 3♠

4♣** - 4♦

4♥ - 4NT

5♠ - 6♠

 

*6 spades. If your methods require you to bid 2♠ instead, that's fine. But you'll need to figure out the 6th spade to agree the suit.

** Serious slam try. If you play serious 3NT, it could go otherwise.

 

Playing with Phil or Jason, it would be:

 

1♠ - 2♣(1)

2NT(2) - 3♠

Then as above. However the meanings would be:

 

(1) GF, Clubs or balanced

(2) 6 spades, more than minimum opening (which bids 2♦)

[gwnn]

why does opener need to bid 4♥?

[Echognome]

why does opener need to bid 4♥?

Well opener will be bidding it either as a cue (how we play) or LTTC.

[Cascade]

Playing Acol (loose system description) we would bid

 

1♠ 2♣

3♠ 4♦*

4♥* 4NT**

5♠ 6♠

 

* cues

** RKCB (actually kickback)

 

or maybe more quickly

 

1♠ 2♣

3♠ 4NT

5♠ 6♠

[dicklont]

Playing 2/1 i would bid:

1♠ - 2♣

3♠ *) - 4NT

5♥ #) - 6NT %)

 

*) good 6 card, extra values

#) 2 keycards

%) to protect the ♦K or the ♣K

[Edmunte1]

1♠ -2♣ (1)

2NT(2) -3♣(3)

3♦(4)-3♠(5)

3NT(6) - 4♦(7)

4♥(7)-4NT(8)

5♠(9)-6♠

 

1-relay GF

2-one suiter in ♠(5+card), 16+

3-relay

4- 6♠ and a shortage

5-setting ♠, serious ST

6-singleton ♣

7-cues

8-RKCB

9-2+Q

[matmat]

Playing 2/1 i would bid:

1♠ - 2♣

3♠ *) - 4NT

5♥ #) - 6NT %)

 

*) good 6 card, extra values

#) 2 keycards

%) to protect the ♦K or the ♣K

I like this auction.

 

I think the spade suit is just barely good enough for the 3♠ rebid in 2/1

[han]

Not an easy hand in standard 2/1. Maybe this is reasonable:

 

1S - 2C

2S* - 2NT (2S not showing 6)

3S - 4C* (cue, showing slam interest)

4H - 4S (responder does not have enough to go on given that opener has not shown slam interest)

5C - 6S (now opener shows extras and responder can kick it in)

 

Painful auction but all the calls seem quite reasonable.

 

Playing with Arend:

 

1S - 2C (either 3-card limit or GF with 3+ clubs)

2NT* - 3S (a good 6+ suit with extras)

4C* - 4NT (3NT would have shown a minimum given the 2NT call, this hand has extras even for 2NT)

5S - 6S

 

Now opener can immediately show extras and a good 6-card spade suit and responder can seize control quite early.

[han]

I disagree that the spade suit is good enough for 3S in 2/1, but obviously this is a matter of agreement.

[mike777]

I disagree that the spade suit is good enough for 3S in 2/1, but obviously this is a matter of agreement.

Agree with Han rebidding 3s seems a bit much here over 2 clubs.

 

1S=2C

2S(6)=3S(SLAM TRY)

4C=4D

4NT=5H

6S

[han]

Yeah, this is a good hand for the agreement that 2S shows 6.

[BillHiggin]

To me, it looks harder to find an auction that does not lead to slam than one that does. I guess if one has no way at all to show the sixth spade early that things might bog down. Once the fit is found, neither partner has an excuse for stopping short of slam.

[P_Marlowe]

"2/1 135 udca" agreed, but feel free to introduce your favorite agreements here.

 

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Hi,

 

playing a system similar to 2/1

or standard american:

 

1S - 2C

3S (1) - 4NT (2)

5S (2) - 6S

 

(1) 2S would not show a 6 card suit,

and given that partner made a 2/1

response, the hand and the suit are

certainly ok, it is also a lack of better

alternatives

(2) RKCB for spades, all suits are controlled

the power should be there given the 3S bid

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

Not an easy hand in standard 2/1. Maybe this is reasonable:

 

1S - 2C

2S* - 2NT (2S not showing 6)

3S - 4C* (cue, showing slam interest)

4H - 4S (responder does not have enough to go on given that opener has not shown slam interest)

5C - 6S (now opener shows extras and responder can kick it in)

 

Painful auction but all the calls seem quite reasonable.

I would duplicate the start of that auction, but responder would cuebid 4♦ not 4♣, I would definitely want better in my 2/1 suit to cuebid there. Then opener could simply bid keycard with his significant extras.

[han]

For me that would deny a club ace or king Josh.

[jdonn]

For me that would deny a club ace or king Josh.

I know, I'm in the enlightened minority in realizing you should have better than one random honor and out in your 2/1 suit to make it your first cuebid, so partner can tell when his Hx means a real source of tricks or not or when his singleton is not as bad as it seems.

[kenrexford]

1♠

2♣ (GF, eal suit or frag+ with support)

2♠ (6-card suit; would bid 2♦/2NT with any hand NOT containing five spades when the response is 2♣)

3♠ (spade fit, not HHxx+ in clubs and HH+ trumps with no side controls unless a stiff Queen or worse)

3NT (serious slam interest)

4♦ (diamond 1st or 2nd round control; not two of top three clubs)

 

At this point, Opener can expect the worst case of the spade Ace, diamond Ace, and club K-Q only. After a diamond lead, Declarer seems forced to finesse. If that works, pull trumps, clear the club Ace, and cross to the diamond Ace. Ditch one diamond on the club King and one heart on the club Queen. Now, we need the heart right as well. So, Opener seems to need more. Having already claimed serious slam interest...

 

4♥ (LTTC)

 

Responder, with this actual hand, will not know for sure what Opener needs, but he has it. In some situations, Opener might need to push again if his LTTC is rejected. But, on this deal, no problems...

 

4NT (1430)

5♠ (2+Q)

 

That's enough...

 

6♠

Pass

[Fluffy]

I would duplicate the start of that auction, but responder would cuebid 4♦ not 4♣, I would definitely want better in my 2/1 suit to cuebid there. Then opener could simply bid keycard with his significant extras.

Funny, Han 4♣, you 4♦ and me 4♥, I don't cue Kings where partner can have a singleton. Whatever the cue it seems like North will make a noise to get to the 5 level at least. I would have it the most difficult not being able to use blackwood.

 

 

On my system I promise 6 cards with 2♠ (2♦ can be balanced without diamonds) and reach slam quickly.

[skjaeran]

I agree with those saying the spade suit is too weak to jumprebid in 2/1.

In Acol or Acol-like systems it's mandatory to rebid 3♠.

 

As BillHiggin I'd be surprised if I ever found a sequence at the table stopping short of slam on these hands, whatever system I played.

[Finch]

This is the standard 2/1 "problem" where you are 33-high and yet somehow no-one is prepared to show extra values. That's why the Acol (or similar light 2/1 system) auction is so easy: 1S - 2C (9+) - 3S (6-card suit, 16+ HCP or equivalent) - responder drives slam.

 

So Jeffrey & I (2/1 forcing to 2M only) would have a similar auction

 

1S - 2C (9+ HCP)

3H - 3S

4C - 4NT

5S - 6NT

 

3H = game forcing, 6+ spades

3S = agree spades (4NT would have been natural)

4C = cue

6NT = protect the HAQ in case partner has, say, QJ98xxx xx AK AQ (OK, that's a bit contrived, but I can't see how 6NT can be worse than 6S)

 

In any 2/1 partnership someone has to show some extra values at some point or you just die out at game level...

[whereagles]

So you missed a slam.. hey, the other day I missed a 36 hcp grand with 20 tricks.