Pull to the five level?

[MickyB]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxhxxxdqtxxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

4♠-X-P-to you. Pass or pull?[/hv]

[ulven]

Pass. Depends a bit on style/agreements.

[Walddk]

Pass without much hesitation. At these colours I only pull if I expect to make and that minus 1 is poor compensation. I don't with those cards. Right, 4♠ might be on, so passing is by no means a clear plus. If we concede 590, we must just accept that the pre-empt worked beautifully for their side.

 

Roland

[gwnn]

if the double promises 1444 or not too far, i would have thought 5di is very good as a bid. of course if the double can be a balanced 17 count, 5di is quite silly.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

5D

 

ok, ... close.

X is not a pure penalty, it justs convertible

values. It may be wrong, I was it before.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[helene_t]

Larry Cohen says you should assume p to be 1444 and then apply the LOTT, which clearly suggests bidding. I think that's a little too optimistic. With 19 total tricks rather than 20, the expected scores of pass and 5♦ must be very close, probably pass would be slightly better.

 

5♦ it is.

[Fluffy]

pretty close, I might change my decision depending on the day of the week.

 

Today I pass, but swtch a heart with a club and I'd bid.

[joker_gib]

I pass too ! A bit flat to bid.

 

Let's hope to have a plus.

[drinbrasil]

5D Its normal, partner like when i bid 6 cards suit.:-)

If partner has normal 4S double without points in spades (best with singleton) we have good chances to make it.

[Guest Jlall]

Seems very close, I don't think either action is too far off.

[whereagles]

I'll pass, with no strong conviction. "Stay fixed", I guess.

[skjaeran]

Pass. Depends a bit on style/agreements.

Me too.

[matmat]

probably pass would be slightly better.

 

5♦ it is.

I love your logic =)

[han]

I think everybody would pass with xx xxx Q10xxx Kxx and nobody would pass with xx xx Q10xxxxx Kx. This seems to be on the edge, I would pass without confidence.

[awm]

It depends a lot on the meaning of double. I think the standard is that double is "cards" and would be the normal bid on many good hands that don't have anything resembling takeout double shape. Opposite such a hand I would pass, as there's no guarantee (or even particularly strong chance) that partner has fewer than two spades opposite or that we have more than 8 diamonds (or even seven). If we are 2-2 or 3-2 in the opponents suit it's often difficult to make a five-level contract.

 

With at least one regular partner I play the double as much more "takeout oriented" than this; we would pass with many good balanced hands including spade length and so double is more typically a singleton spade. In this partnership it's clear to bid, and even Hannie's example with five diamonds is a borderline hand where I would tend to bid.

[jdonn]

I hate pulling even though it is sometimes (very) right. I just think you have to give the doubler a ton of slack to be able to double on hands where nothing else is good. For example, even something as extreme as 2416 hands (obviously this is a very worst case scenario for bidding, but still.)

 

We don't live in some Utopia where partner is always dealt 1444 when he is strong after a preempt. And when he has several choices, double is often the best one.

[neilkaz]

I have a 6 card suit and a hand that has little defence.

 

I somewhat prefer 5♦ to passing. .. neilkaz ..

[Fluffy]

About the style thing, I know my father and his partner prefer to pass with strong balanced hands instead of doubling wich puts pressure on partner, sometimes you get +100 vs -300/500

[Gerben42]

t depends a lot on the meaning of double. I think the standard is that double is "cards" and would be the normal bid on many good hands that don't have anything resembling takeout double shape.

 

That but with strong TO tendencies... Partner would pass with a Spade stack. So I'm a bit for 5♦, but realize the dangers.

[helene_t]

probably pass would be slightly better.

 

5♦ it is.

I love your logic =)

I knew you would, in another thread you applied quantum tunneling effects to a similar decision :P

[MickyB]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxhxxxdqtxxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

4♠-X-P-to you. Pass or pull?[/hv]

On this hand it was very right to pull, pard held

 

void

AKT

AJxxx

Axxxx

 

 

So 4♠ is one off against 6♦ making.

 

Is 4NT a serious alternative to X with these suits?

[helene_t]

Good question. I haven't checked this with p but my immediate reaction is a slight preference for dbl. I would not consider 4N to be wrong.

[gwnn]

how will we feel when pd chooses clubs with his 3622? or even worse, he chooses clubs with his 5323.

[jdonn]

Double is completely correct - I would be getting a very poor score here. As I would have expected when partner has 0 spades and 5 diamonds :)

[cherdano]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxhxxxdqtxxxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

4♠-X-P-to you. Pass or pull?[/hv]

On this hand it was very right to pull, pard held

 

void

AKT

AJxxx

Axxxx

 

 

So 4♠ is one off against 6♦ making.

 

Is 4NT a serious alternative to X with these suits?

I guess it is, but I prefer double by a mile.