catch22 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skt4hq5dk42caqj54]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] (_P) 1N (_P) 2D(_P) 2H (_P) 3D(_P) ?? 1N = 14-16 HCP2D = 5+ H3D = 4+ D GF What do you bid now? What does 3H and 3S show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 3♥ shows 3-card heart support. 3♠ shows probably diamond support and worry about clubs. 3NT, wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Ditto, except I would change Helene's "and" to an "or". I suppose such hands will usually have diamond support, but I consider this more of a coincidence due to what is being denied instead of part of the definition of the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhall Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Ditto, except I would change Helene's "and" to an "or". I suppose such hands will usually have diamond support, but I consider this more of a coincidence due to what is being denied instead of part of the definition of the bid.When 3♦ is a natural, 4+ game force, it is better to play 3♥ here as agreeing ♥ and 3♠ or 4♣ as agreeing ♦. Playing these calls as ambiguous renders responder's continuations, such as 4♦ and 4♥, also uncertain as to their meaning. The agreement that the cue shows a ♦ fit does not preclude opener from cue bidding with the intention of "correcting" to ♥ later. Maybe that's what you meant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 For me, 3♥ would agree hearts. 3♠, as the only call below 3NT, agrees diamonds (although any higher bid, above 3NT, would be a super-acceptance of diamonds, except 4♥). Because I only have one cue below 3NT, 3♠ is not natural. Hopefully we have a manner to handle 3541/3550 hands differently because of this. With the actual hand, 3NT. Sure, I have diamond support. But, my hand sucks contextually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 3N. This hand is similar to the one I posted last week. It is a good advertisement for transfer advances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 3 NT sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 yup. 3N here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Ditto, except I would change Helene's "and" to an "or". I suppose such hands will usually have diamond support, but I consider this more of a coincidence due to what is being denied instead of part of the definition of the bid.When 3♦ is a natural, 4+ game force, it is better to play 3♥ here as agreeing ♥ and 3♠ or 4♣ as agreeing ♦. Playing these calls as ambiguous renders responder's continuations, such as 4♦ and 4♥, also uncertain as to their meaning. The agreement that the cue shows a ♦ fit does not preclude opener from cue bidding with the intention of "correcting" to ♥ later. Maybe that's what you meant? No, I meant he might be weak in clubs and not have support for either suit. In this particular position that would tend to show 5 spades like AQJxx Ax KJx Jxx. Something like AKQx KJ Kxx xxxx is also possible. It is not the standard expert agreement that opener bidding a new suit below 3NT here promises support for anything responder bid. Responder's continuations still have clear meanings anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhall Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 It is not the standard expert agreement that opener bidding a new suit below 3NT here promises support for anything responder bid. Responder's continuations still have clear meanings anyway.I have to disagree. If 3♠ is agreed as a cue in support of ♦, then 4♦ may well be RKC. If 3♠ is agreed as a cue in support of ♥, then 4♦ is likely a control. If 3♠ is ambiguous, and may even be denying a stop in ♣, then 4♦ could show a 5th ♦ or simply deny a stop in ♣, hoping that there is a♦ fit. So, if 3♠ is undiscussed, it should probably be avoided entirely! I am posting a poll on this subject to see what the other posters think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Bids below 3N are not necessarily cuebids for slam and always may be trying to get to 3N. I believe if you posted AKJx Qx AJx xxxx everyone would have answered 3S wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Bids below 3N are not necessarily cuebids for slam and always may be trying to get to 3N. I believe if you posted AKJx Qx AJx xxxx everyone would have answered 3S wtp. That's a nice cuebid for slam. Diamond support, two top spades, and a heart card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 That's a nice cuebid for slam. Diamond support, two top spades, and a heart card. I didn't realize AJx counts as support for 3D = 4+ D GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Bids below 3N are not necessarily cuebids for slam and always may be trying to get to 3N. I believe if you posted AKJx Qx AJx xxxx everyone would have answered 3S wtp. That's a nice cuebid for slam. Diamond support, two top spades, and a heart card. If you consider 3 cards in diamonds support then obviously 3S will always contain support, but I don't know why you would. Partner has just shown 4 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Support schmapport. Yeah, maybe you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 3 NT sounds good. And 3NT for me as well. I have an OK hand playing 14-16 after this bidding but nothing outstanding, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catch22 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 For all those who believe 3H is support. What would you bid on xxx Qx, AJx AKJxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinbrasil Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 For all those who believe 3H is support. What would you bid on xxx Qx, AJx AKJxxnot question to "believe" but 3♥ is played as 3 cards in ♥ for almost all good pairs, so possible is good aproach.Bridge dont have perfect systems, if you has xxx AK AKQ xxxx you have problems in this sequence also.You have to adjust with your p, what means 3♠ and 3NT after 3♦ (and also other bids of course).In my system: 3♥=3cards ♥, no 4♦. 3NT= no 4♦, no 3♥4♦=4♦, no 3♥anyother bid = 4minor, can have 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 For all those who believe 3H is support. What would you bid on xxx Qx, AJx AKJxx 4♥ of course, but give me ♦Q and I'll be happy to show 3 card support in hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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