Hand from 299er

[jillybean]

[hv=d=s&v=b&s=shat865432daj76cq]133|100|Scoring: MP

1♥ (P) 1♠ (P)

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Do you agree with 1♥, what is your bid now?

[Guest Jlall]

1H is fine, very strange rebid problem. I am really scared if I bid 3H that partner will go crazy with a bunch of HCP when slam is very bad, but not sure if I have the heart for 2H with 8-4. It looks like partner has a good hand given the opps silence. I guess I'd go 2H.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I would have opened 4H, but mainly

because I would be done with the hand

as fast as possible, so 1H is fine and may

well be the better bid.

 

The 1S response did not improve your hand,

so I guess 2H is best ... but I would not like it,

and I think I would bid 4H.

But 4H now is to a certain degree inconsistent

with the 1H opener. As I said, man main aim

would, zto be done with the hand.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[helene_t]

Yes, 1♥ is fine, too strong for 4♥ IMHO. Maybe 2♥ followed by 4♥ over p's 3NT would show a hand like this one. Not sure. My first reaction was 3♥.

[gwnn]

i would no doubt open 4♥, but that may be weirdo behavior

[ralph23]

1. Yes, 1♥. Preempting with two Aces is almost always wrong, as you promise partner you have zero or one defensive tricks when you preempt at a high level.

 

2. 2♥ by process of elimination. I would like "4♥, with that call barring partner from further action" but that's not possible!!

[keylime]

I vote for 2♥, but if pard's passed hand I might take a shot at 4♥ direct initially.

[neilkaz]

This is a tough call.

 

But if PD has xxxxx,Kx,KQx,xxx we have can claim a slam unless trumps are 3-0 and yet PD is likely to pass after 1♥-1♠-2♥ and in a 299er I am not going to rely on the opps balancing and trying for 3m. I can construct so many hands where game is ice cold but PD passes a 2♥ rebid. Therefore, if opening 1♥ I am jump rebidding 3♥ with all this offence.

 

This hand looks like a preempt but if I open 4♥ I am missing too many slams if PD fit's ♦ and with two aces (they so often cash) what do I do over the opp's 4♠ if PD doesn't whack it ? 5♥ could be correct and could even make 6 on hands where 4♠ is cold for them.

 

OK 1♥ and rebid 3♥ for me ... neilkaz ...

[Stephen Tu]

I rebid 4♥, hope I make it. I thought this hand is fairly std for 4♥, a kind of freakish opener that one felt unsuited for opening 4♥ to begin with. Near 2♣ openers with more high cards would fake a jump shift before bidding 4♥. It seems bad to rebid 2♥ with so much extra playing strength, and 3♥ should be more high cards less shape.

[jillybean]

Obviously with zero votes this is wrong, noone introduces the ♦'s?

 

I did, thinking 1♥:1♠ 2♦ was more encouraging than 2♥.

[ralph23]

Obviously with zero votes this is wrong, noone introduces the ♦'s?

 

I did, thinking 1♥:1♠ 2♦ was more encouraging than 2♥.

What's the old joke:

 

Q. What do you call an 8-card suit?

A. Trumps.

 

:rolleyes:

[jillybean]

Obviously with zero votes this is wrong,  noone introduces the ♦'s?

 

I did, thinking 1♥:1♠ 2♦ was more encouraging than 2♥.

What's the old joke:

 

Q. What do you call an 8-card suit?

A. Trumps.

 

:rolleyes:

piss off

[ralph23]

Obviously with zero votes this is wrong,  noone introduces the ♦'s?

 

I did, thinking 1♥:1♠ 2♦ was more encouraging than 2♥.

What's the old joke:

 

Q. What do you call an 8-card suit?

A. Trumps.

 

:rolleyes:

piss off

My my, testy aren't we ???!!! lol.

[jdonn]

I rebid 4♥, hope I make it. I thought this hand is fairly std for 4♥, a kind of freakish opener that one felt unsuited for opening 4♥ to begin with. Near 2♣ openers with more high cards would fake a jump shift before bidding 4♥. It seems bad to rebid 2♥ with so much extra playing strength, and 3♥ should be more high cards less shape.

I agree with this post.

[neilkaz]

I rebid 4♥, hope I make it.  I thought this hand is fairly std for 4♥, a kind of freakish opener that one felt unsuited for opening 4♥ to begin with.  Near 2♣ openers with more high cards would fake a jump shift before bidding 4♥.  It seems bad to rebid 2♥ with so much extra playing strength, and 3♥ should be more high cards less shape.

I agree with this post.

This is a different approach and if you play the style where you can invent a jump shift with this hand to force to game, then it is a good way to handle this hand, but if you play

what I believe is "standard" then PD will think that you have something just short of a strong 2♣ bid in ♥.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[neilkaz]

Obviously with zero votes this is wrong, noone introduces the ♦'s?

 

I did, thinking 1♥:1♠ 2♦ was more encouraging than 2♥.

OK so what happened after 2♦ ? You should be able to get to 4♥ unless PD passed, and on a real good day he fits ♦ and has a bit of help in ♥ and you get your slam.

 

.. neilkaz ..fearing that you were passed out :)

[jillybean]

[hv=d=s&v=b&n=sk1097hq9dq8543c93&s=sha10865432daj76cq]133|200|Scoring: MP

1♥:1♠

3♦ (ap)[/hv]

 

This was the actual auction

[cherdano]

Kathryn, 3♦ is bad, you are showing a very strong hand when in fact you have a very light distributional opener. Opposite this partner it may not have mattered :), but usually partner will put you in slam way too often after 3♦.

 

I would rebid 4♥. If you want to rebid diamonds, you can bid 2♦, but with 8-4 I would not mention the side suit.

[jillybean]

And if you want to know why I didn’t post the 3♦ bid originally, Im sick and tired of the smart ass, sarcastic comments that get posted on here and I thought 2♦ may get less criticism. Unless you happen to be close to one of the geniuses who get the bid right 100% of the time, posting bad bidding, play is not much fun.

 

Not suprising we dont see more B/I's posting bad hands in here or maybe its just me making these bids :)

[vuroth]

Definitely not just you making these bids, jb. :)

 

I had a 6-4 last night, and opted to rebid the 4, and got criticized after the hand. Weak two-suiters always seem (to me) to be a bit of guesswork, because you can't truly bid your shape without overbidding.

 

V

[cherdano]

And if you want to know why I didn’t post the 3♦ bid originally, Im sick and tired of the smart ass, sarcastic comments that get posted on here and I thought 2♦ may get less criticism. Unless you happen to be close to one of the geniuses who get the bid right 100% of the time, posting bad bidding, play is not much fun.

 

Not suprising we dont see more B/I's posting bad hands in here or maybe its just me making these bids :)

Kathryn, posting stuff like this only helps if we say when a bid is bad, and it is also important to say when a bid was very bad.

I guess I was being a bit sarcastic about your partner's pass, and I apologize for that, but it is really hard to be fair to a pass of a game-forcing bid when he has Q9xxx support, another working queen and a king. North is closer to a slam try than a pass of 3♦.

[jillybean]

And I agree 3♦ was (very) bad, I was trying to force my very cautious partner to bid :)

 

edit Arend, It is not your replies that I'm referring to as sarcastic, your posts are helpful and constructive. Bad timing in the order of posts perhaps :)

[neilkaz]

And if you want to know why I didn’t post the 3♦ bid originally, Im sick and tired of the smart ass, sarcastic comments that get posted on here and I thought 2♦ may get less criticism. Unless you happen to be close to one of the geniuses who get the bid right 100% of the time, posting bad bidding, play is not much fun.

 

Not suprising we dont see more B/I's posting bad hands in here or maybe its just me making these bids :)

Kathryn, I'll let you know that your PD bid this hand lots worse than you did !

 

In SAYC or 2/1 the one good thing about your 3♦ jump shift is that it is GF !!

 

How on earth does your PD pass a Game Forcing bid with his hand ? (or any hand for that matter) I remain amazed at the number of B/I that pass GF bids.

 

With PD's hand I'd raise to 4♦ and you can respond 4♥. If PD pulls to 5♦ hope that you don't loose 2 red suit tricks. If PD thinks 4♥ is now a Q in pursuit of slam and Q bids 4♠ (showing 2nd rd control) just s/off in 5♦ not showing your 2nd round ♣ control.

 

However, you belong in 4♥ here and after 3♦ there may be no keeping a good PD out of slam. At least if he calls 4NT RKCB for ♦ you have only 1 and can pray that PD doesn't go beyond 5♦.

 

You see some of the pitfalls that can occur when you really don't have a jump shift, but having PD pass the GF bid should certainly NOT be one of them. However, like most here, I wouldn't bid 3♦ either.

 

Just my opinion .. neilkaz ..

[neilkaz]

And I agree 3♦ was bad, I was trying to force my very cautious partner to bid :)

 

edit Arend, It is not your replies that I'm referring to as sarcastic, I don’t mind at all if people think the bid is bad.

If PD passed my GF 3♦ jump shift, I go out and walk my dog !

 

Wait a minute...I don't have a dog. :) OK I'll walk the guinea pig.

 

Kathryn, you deserve somewhat better PD's than you seem to get stuck with.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[helene_t]

With this hand you want to play in hearts. So you should treat it as a 1-suiter. I.e. rebid 2, 3 or 4♥. One-suiters sometimes rebid a new suit but that is when they are too strong for 3 of the opening suit and don't want to bypass 3NT. But that is not the case here. If you want to GF, you can rebid 4♥.