Free Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 You hold:[hv=d=n&s=skjxhakjxxdxxctxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Partner opens 2NT, showing 15-16HCP with 5+♣ and 5+♦. Your choices are:3m = signoff3♥ = relay (opener will bid 3♠ or 4♥ with a 3 card, 4m with a 5521 defining the singleton, or 3NT showing a 6511)3NT = signoff4m = invitational5m = signoff What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 3NT. That said, an idea that you might like is to use "Smolen" here. 3♥ "shows" spades. Two variations: 1. Not really. It more precisely asks if Opener has three spades.2. Hard relay. Responder might next pass, bid 3NT, or something else (allows an escape to 3♠ on rare occasion). If "hard relay" version, may want to allow super-acceptances. 3♠ SHOWS hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Mark me down for 3NT: 1. We have a misfit, which is going to hurt our chances at 3N. Even so, with 27 HCPs between the two hands, we should have enough strength for game 2. The odds that partner has three hearts don't seem very good. (5% or so?). I'm guessing that asking about Hearts will do more harm (encouraging a Spade lead) than good. 3. Given the combined strength of the two hands, I'd prefer to try to make 3N rather than 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Oh yeah -- another thing. If you can get around the invitational idea (either systemically through a 3♥ relay or just quit trying to land on a dime), you might like another minors idea. 4♣ and 4♦ are game-forcing, establishing a fit. It is a demand that Opener ask for Aces, RKCB style. The benefit is in void-location: 2NT-P-4♣-P-? 4♦ = RKCB4M = Exclusion RKCB, void here 2NT-P-4♦-P-? 4♥ = RKCB4♠ = Exclusion RKCB (void spades)4NT = Exclusion RKCB (void hearts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Obvious 3NT. Why is this a problem? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Can I complain about the response structure? We can't even check for a 5-3 heart fit without bypassing 3NT if partner is on his flattest shapes possible. I guess 3NT for me under these circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 How could we ever not bid 3N here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 3N looks normal enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Believe it or not, I voted for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I don't believe it. Pls give proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 How far from 6C? Where are my slam tries? At worst push to 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Hmm...can I explore whether pard has the magic hand that makes 6♣ and still bail out at a safe level? I will go with the odds and just sign off in 3N... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 This is definitely an unusual 2NT opening. It seems strange to me, since with this many points you often need to make delicate decisions as to which game is best, or whether you have slam, and it's hard to do when you've preempted yourself so high. Number of points is also probably less useful than number of losers for this type of opening. The 2NT opening on a weak hand is different, since you're usually getting in the way of the opponents and are willing to sacrifice a lot of accuracy in constructive bidding in order to jam them with your weak shapely hand. Anyways, it seems fairly likely to me that five of a minor will be the best game. Certainly if partner has a singleton spade, you might see for example: xQxAKxxxKQJxx xxKQJxxxAKQxx In each case 3NT is a bit iffy, whereas 5-minor (or on the first hand 4♥) is pretty cold. If you swap the majors on the first hand, 3NT is cold but 5-minor is still really good. If you swap the small spade to be a small heart on the second hand, then six-minor is really good. I think I'd try the relay sequence, planning to: (1) Play slam opposite a spade void.(2) Play 4♥ opposite 1255.(3) Play 5-minor opposite 11(65)(4) Play 3NT opposite 3055(5) Play 5-minor opposite 2155, while admitting that 3NT might've been better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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